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[newdawn1st]

all the fuel comes from the same place, the only difference between shell/bp normal unleaded and supermarket unleaded is the additives that are put in to the tanks at the garages. the fuel is "warehoused" at one site and kept in a large tank, which asda/sainsburys/bp/shell/esso etc all take the same fuel from, so it all comes from the same place wether it be eastern europe or the gulf states or anywhere.

Behave, how do you expect people to believe that there is only one storage facility, plus if supermarkets were to buy their fuel from one of the major oil companies, that company isn't going to sell their best fuel just to be undersold at the pump. Easy proof of it all was a while ago there was a fuel problem where it was contaminated with silicone and was causing all sorts of problems with people's cars, however this was only fuel purchased from supermarket pumps.

where people might get confused is with ultimate and v-power, these are higher octane fuels, they can also be bought from supermarkets, i know there is a sainsburys near me which sells a higher octane fuel.

i've also seen a small independant garage selling 119ron might have to give that a try even though its £1.59 a litre

GL1

119 RON? really? highest commercially available fuel I've ever seen is 102 RON sold on trial by BP, by the way ethanol has a RON of approx 116, so yeah can believe that too

[AndrewJ530]

all the fuel comes from the same place, the the fuel is "warehoused" at one site and kept in a large tank, .

I'd love to see the size of this large tank. Because it would have to be one hell of a massive tank to hold all the fuel in england lol.

[Burnard]

There are lots of storage tanks arround the county, Teaside, hemelhempstead, southampton.
Teaside is our biggest refinery and 'storage center' but there are allot more, they just dont look quite the same as you would expect, so you wouldnt know one if you saw it.

There is a common mythe that middle eastern oil is higher quality than european oil, well the truth is thats a load of *melon*...
The quality of the oil depends on the quality of the equipment used to get it out the ground and refine it, and the method of refinining, and also the rules of the country that it is being done in.


If you want to know more i can easily find out.

Edited by Burnard, 19 May 2009 - 11:17 AM.

[greenlaner1]

not one storage tank for the whole of england, but large storage tanks for areas of the uk which store fuel for all garages in that area, i've seen bp tankers fill up and drive off, then a morrisons tanker fill up from the same outlet.

119 RON? really? highest commercially available fuel I've ever seen is 102 RON sold on trial by BP, by the way ethanol has a RON of approx 116, so yeah can believe that too

it might have been 109ron or 110ron. i was wizzing past on my bike at the time...

like i said before, different companies use different addatives at the garage (mainly preservatives to stop layering etc of the fuel) so this could have been the cause of the silicone problem

GL1

[Sprocket]

all the fuel comes from the same place, the only difference between shell/bp normal unleaded and supermarket unleaded is the additives that are put in to the tanks at the garages. the fuel is "warehoused" at one site and kept in a large tank, which asda/sainsburys/bp/shell/esso etc all take the same fuel from, so it all comes from the same place wether it be eastern europe or the gulf states or anywhere.

where people might get confused is with ultimate and v-power, these are higher octane fuels, they can also be bought from supermarkets, i know there is a sainsburys near me which sells a higher octane fuel.

i've also seen a small independant garage selling 119ron might have to give that a try even though its £1.59 a litre

GL1

I think you actualy find that Shell V Power leaves the Shell refinery in the Shell tanker as Shell V Power. Shell V Power cannot, I repeat, cannot be bought from anywhere other than a Shell service station. It is known however that the base 'grade' of fuel that the supermarkets use is the same as all the other same fuel of the same grade in the UK, it most certainly does not come from the same place. Fuel is distrubuted from the various oil refineries around the UK. Transport of the base 'grade' of fuel may go to a post processor and have addative packages added to the customers requirements, then re distributed to the filling stations.Nothing is mixed at the stations, thats just daft!!

[AndrewJ530]

There are lots of storage tanks arround the county, Teaside, hemelhempstead, southampton.
Teaside is our biggest refinery and 'storage center' but there are allot more, they just dont look quite the same as you would expect, so you wouldnt know one if you saw it.

There is a common mythe that middle eastern oil is higher quality than european oil, well the truth is thats a load of *melon*...
The quality of the oil depends on the quality of the equipment used to get it out the ground and refine it, and the method of refinining, and also the rules of the country that it is being done in.


If you want to know more i can easily find out.

Teesside isn't the biggest storage of fuels. Thats hemel hempstead. It's got the biggest storage of ethylene in the old brine wells from the cracker at sabic but not much fuel (as we know it) storage. It does have one hell of a huge cracker for the naptha it brings in but i don't know whether it's the biggest in the country.

I agree with you on where the oil is from though. It can depend on where it's from because it depends on what vegetation has been crushed to form these oil wells but it is more to do with the refining process and the additives. Buying petrol from a reputable supplier (Shell, BP etc) rather than from a supermarket i think with give you better fuel. Thats probably to do with the fact that these companies have something to lose ... reputation. If shell made rubbsih fuel, they woul;dn't sell any because would just buy the rubbish fuel from a supermaket for cheaper.

And that's my 2 penny's worth lol.

Andrew

[Zacherius]

Just to add,

Topgear, AutoCar, Ford, and many many more have all done test to compare. Some used Bp & BP Ultimate, some used Tesco & Tesco 99Ron, some Esso, Some Shell & V Power, you get my drift.

All used Identical Cars, one with normal, one with High Octane.

All compared an average of 14% better Fuel Economy, better low down torque and performance. On a straight dash with two Fiesta ST's the V Powered Fiesta was four car lengths in front at the end, AND had used less fuel !

14% economy, basically ( for those blondes ) is 14p for every pound. So if one sold normal for £1 and the other for £1.14 per litre you would still travel the same distance for the same money. The extra couple of pennies ( as V Power by me is £1.24 ) ... think of it as pure perfomance and smooth running costs !!!

[Sam Walters]

Im having to run through a full tank of 95 octane fuel from the l2b run. Couldent go above 65mph on the way back due to ignition advancement causeing it to pink like crazy.

12.5:1 compression ratio. Pah!

[Zacherius]

Im having to run through a full tank of 95 octane fuel from the l2b run. Couldent go above 65mph on the way back due to ignition advancement causeing it to pink like crazy.

12.5:1 compression ratio. Pah!

AS AN IMPORTANT NOTE TO ALL THOSE WHO GET THEIR TIMING ADVANCED. KEEP A BOTTLE OF OCTANE BOOSTER IN YA BOOT ! IT STOPS ALL THE PROBLEMS.

VARIOUS STRENGTHS ON MARKET. "NOS" do 3 different strengths, one is more than £20 a bottle and says it contains an approx 10 point increase and includes a percentage of Nitrous ?!!?!? Its the black bottle marked " RACE ONLY " !

[brianmini]

Im having to run through a full tank of 95 octane fuel from the l2b run. Couldent go above 65mph on the way back due to ignition advancement causeing it to pink like crazy.

12.5:1 compression ratio. Pah!

AS AN IMPORTANT NOTE TO ALL THOSE WHO GET THEIR TIMING ADVANCED. KEEP A BOTTLE OF OCTANE BOOSTER IN YA BOOT ! IT STOPS ALL THE PROBLEMS.

VARIOUS STRENGTHS ON MARKET. "NOS" do 3 different strengths, one is more than £20 a bottle and says it contains an approx 10 point increase and includes a percentage of Nitrous ?!!?!? Its the black bottle marked " RACE ONLY " !

Is there a topic in the FAQ on how to advance your timing? Never considered it myself, but I do normally run higher RON fuel in Brian, just because he runs smoother.... I'd never say no to a slight performance enhancement.

[Jake Blues]

There is a common mythe that middle eastern oil is higher quality than european oil, well the truth is thats a load of *melon*...
If you want to know more i can easily find out.

This information was given to me by people who have worked in the Oil Industry for years...I've always assumed they knew what they are talking about!

( as V Power by me is £1.24 )

Good grief!!!! We pay around £1.05 for V Power in the midlands and we got some Ultimate for £1.02 down in Cornwall on the Riv Run....must earn more in that Wales!!!

[Burnard]

There are lots of storage tanks arround the county, Teaside, hemelhempstead, southampton.
Teaside is our biggest refinery and 'storage center' but there are allot more, they just dont look quite the same as you would expect, so you wouldnt know one if you saw it.

There is a common mythe that middle eastern oil is higher quality than european oil, well the truth is thats a load of *melon*...
The quality of the oil depends on the quality of the equipment used to get it out the ground and refine it, and the method of refinining, and also the rules of the country that it is being done in.


If you want to know more i can easily find out.

Teesside isn't the biggest storage of fuels. Thats hemel hempstead. It's got the biggest storage of ethylene in the old brine wells from the cracker at sabic but not much fuel (as we know it) storage. It does have one hell of a huge cracker for the naptha it brings in but i don't know whether it's the biggest in the country.

I agree with you on where the oil is from though. It can depend on where it's from because it depends on what vegetation has been crushed to form these oil wells but it is more to do with the refining process and the additives. Buying petrol from a reputable supplier (Shell, BP etc) rather than from a supermarket i think with give you better fuel. Thats probably to do with the fact that these companies have something to lose ... reputation. If shell made rubbsih fuel, they woul;dn't sell any because would just buy the rubbish fuel from a supermaket for cheaper.

And that's my 2 penny's worth lol.

Andrew

I really gotta stop posting at school when i shouldnt be, i never manage to say what i mean.

This information was given to me by people who have worked in the Oil Industry for years...I've always assumed they knew what they are talking about!

When did they tell you this?

There is no difference in the quality of the crude oil, no matter where it comes from.Yes there are differences in the quantities of each hydrocarbon in different places, but it is still the same stuff. It is the refinery that makes the difference, oils from different places are refined in different places, mainly for convinience.

[greenlaner1]

all the fuel comes from the same place, the only difference between shell/bp normal unleaded and supermarket unleaded is the additives that are put in to the tanks at the garages. the fuel is "warehoused" at one site and kept in a large tank, which asda/sainsburys/bp/shell/esso etc all take the same fuel from, so it all comes from the same place wether it be eastern europe or the gulf states or anywhere.

where people might get confused is with ultimate and v-power, these are higher octane fuels, they can also be bought from supermarkets, i know there is a sainsburys near me which sells a higher octane fuel.

i've also seen a small independant garage selling 119ron might have to give that a try even though its £1.59 a litre

GL1

I think you actualy find that Shell V Power leaves the Shell refinery in the Shell tanker as Shell V Power. Shell V Power cannot, I repeat, cannot be bought from anywhere other than a Shell service station. It is known however that the base 'grade' of fuel that the supermarkets use is the same as all the other same fuel of the same grade in the UK, it most certainly does not come from the same place. Fuel is distrubuted from the various oil refineries around the UK. Transport of the base 'grade' of fuel may go to a post processor and have addative packages added to the customers requirements, then re distributed to the filling stations.Nothing is mixed at the stations, thats just daft!!

i know this, i was not saying all higher octane fuels are the same, i was talking about the normal stuff

GL1

[Jake Blues]

When did they tell you this?

When I was doing my REME Artificer course in 1989-91...by one of the lecturers who used to work for Shell...it's all to do with how, when and why fossilisation took place...

[Ethel]

I'm sure there will be differences in crude, but when it's refined in to its constituent parts you'll get the same stuff out of the same fractionation pipe. It's pointless comparing fuels unless you're prepared to optimise the engine to use it. If you've got a 70's low compression engine it's not going to be particularly bothered what you put in it & a high compression will run particularly badly on low octane fuel or show much benefit of quality juice without optimised ignition advance.