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[Jellevandok]

Hello,

I'm building a track car and I still need a roll cage. I have been reading some old topics and some people are quite negative about the Geronimo cages which are being sold on E... Since I find their 45mm CDS Multipoint Cage a beauty to look at and very reasonably priced I would like to know if the latest cages are stil *ANY GOOD*.. Is there anyone who bought one of the cages who found the cage good welded/fitting. Before I spend a lot of money on the multi point cage by Safety Devices that is also sold by one of the known English Mini parts websites...

Jelle
(The Netherlands)

[Cooperman]

You really can't beat a Safety Devices cage, although all cages are a bit difficult to fit into a Mini. It's such a safety-critical item it's best to go for the best, if you see what I mean.

[Jellevandok]

You really can't beat a Safety Devices cage, although all cages are a bit difficult to fit into a Mini. It's such a safety-critical item it's best to go for the best, if you see what I mean.

But are the cages they sell not safe then? Will it poke my eye out in a crash? I believe not... Every brand needs some time to be known. It's a 250 GBP difference so it's also worth finding out what to do. Have you ever looked at a geronimo cage Cooperman? I really want to know peoples experiences..

Edited by Jellevandok, 28 May 2009 - 04:21 PM.

[gregh55]

there was a storey on here, where geronimo cages supplyed the wrong bars to fix the cage together :/

[icklemini]

You really can't beat a Safety Devices cage

Agreed

But are the cages they sell not safe then? Will it poke my eye out in a crash? I believe not... Every brand needs some time to be known. It's a 250 GBP difference so it's also worth finding out what to do. Have you ever looked at a geronimo cage Cooperman? I really want to know peoples experiences..

No direct experience with Geronimo cages myself.. However, whatever cage i were fitting into a car I would want the design and construction to have been approved by the various motorsport authorities.....

[maccers]

I have used a safety devices full bolt in cage on a track day impreza, one was rolled and the car more or less folded in around the cage, I removed the cage and used it in a second impreza as it was perfect.

I have since given up on track days, and imprezas, but have since installed a rear only safety devices cage into my 79 mini saloon (just in case!)

Custom roll cages are also an option, there is a place called Andy Robinson race cars in Hampshire that installed my impreza cage, but they specialize in custom roll cage installs.

Richard.

[ginger_monkey]

I've heard that the geronimo cages were a poor fit. The bars that go across the roof from front to rear cage were too far inboard and as such were a safety concern. In a crash and roll you'd be smacking against it with your sweed and that, as we all know is all kinds of bad. As said above all cages are different and will fit differently in any mini but if I was you I'd go for an FIA approved one. I did (fitted a rear) and it was easy to fit and has the peace of mind that it's up to the task.

sorry to say but you can't put a price on your safety

[Ouster]

the car more or less folded in around the cage, I removed the cage and used it in a second impreza as it was perfect.

Is that safe?

[mini93]

the car more or less folded in around the cage, I removed the cage and used it in a second impreza as it was perfect.

Is that safe?

yep, if the cage passes the safety test from MSA etc its safe enough, my friends cage in his rally car was from a 205 which had been rolled, the cage was checked to be straight, in spec basicly...was safe to use again, the shell was writen off though

[Jellevandok]

I hear you telling story's told by others about Geronimo, but I haven't read anything experienced by people themself. The one I want to buy I this:

http://dokkie1.hyves...2543926/0/ToMc/

It has no front to rear diagonal to hit my head on. The feedback on a very familiar auction site (E...) was all positive. I know it sounds like I'm really wanting to find a positive story, but there should be one, otherwise the company had no means of existence. One of the last negative posts was one of early last year, they must have improved, no? When I look at the pictures in this topic http://www.theminiforum.co.uk/forums/index...=geronimo\ It looks like a tight fit although it is nog the model I've shown earlier.

Jelle

[Jellevandok]

You really can't beat a Safety Devices cage

Agreed

But are the cages they sell not safe then? Will it poke my eye out in a crash? I believe not... Every brand needs some time to be known. It's a 250 GBP difference so it's also worth finding out what to do. Have you ever looked at a geronimo cage Cooperman? I really want to know peoples experiences..

No direct experience with Geronimo cages myself.. However, whatever cage i were fitting into a car I would want the design and construction to have been approved by the various motorsport authorities.....

Yes but there are several brands that sell FIA and non-FIA cages. Are their non-FIA cages less safe for a hobby racer like me. When I attend a race cup my car has to be built by FIA standards, but I'm not going to be racing bumper to bumper...

[icklemini]

Yes but there are several brands that sell FIA and non-FIA cages. Are their non-FIA cages less safe for a hobby racer like me. When I attend a race cup my car has to be built by FIA standards, but I'm not going to be racing bumper to bumper...

Why do you want to fit a cage in the first place? - I'd imagine for safety, what would be safer: a tested and approved cage... or one that isnt?.. imho a cage that is of a certain standard would fill me with more confidence.

But are the cages they sell not safe then? Will it poke my eye out in a crash? I believe not... Every brand needs some time to be known

Are geronimo cages fia/msa approved?, would have thought that any manufacturer making decent cages would get them approved so they can be used in motorsport and open up their client base, etc... unless for some reason they chose not to...

again, these are only my thoughts...

Yes but there are several brands that sell FIA and non-FIA cages. Are their non-FIA cages less safe for a hobby racer like me

I'd say yes non-fia cages are less safe.. no hard evidence on this myself other than common sense, but there is obviously a reason and a specification to meet FIA standards. In the event of banging into the barriers or barrel rolling the car i'd rather be sitting inside a cage that has met a standard... rather than one that hadnt.

Edited by icklemini, 28 May 2009 - 10:46 PM.

[Jellevandok]

Point made. I will let it go for a week now and think about all this. I just mailed Minisport.com and asked for what price I can have the SD multi point deliverd across The Chanel.

Edited by Jellevandok, 29 May 2009 - 07:59 PM.

[Dan]

You know that we don't care if you use the names of companies and websites here don't you? Don't blatantly promote or advertise and don't list anyone's personal details (including your own) but if you want to use the name E-Bay no-one's going to stop you. Often it will help other members out if you do mention who you buy parts from because everything here is searchable when people are looking for information in the future.

Edited by Dan, 29 May 2009 - 10:43 AM.

[rosco454]

The way i look at it is i would pay the extra £250 to know im not going to get a bar coming off if the worst should happen.Im not saying the geronimo cages arent up to standard as they may well be very good ( i havnt seen one in person so cant really comment) but without them being approved theres no real proof they are up to the job.

Edit - You say you plan to attend races where the car has to be up to FIA standard,theres your answer.

Ps. I dont mean to come accross as blunt but safety first and all that.

Edited by rosco454, 29 May 2009 - 07:57 PM.