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#16 Rich.

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Posted 03 October 2010 - 09:09 PM

almost any sub on the market now a days can handle 3k watts, but the question is, how long can it handle a true 3kwrms? not peak watts but a true rms?
it comes down to sub building to make it handle 3k rms daily, the magnet and the size of it, the coil size, what the coil is made out of, the spiders and how many, the cone, the basket
and do you even know what kind of electric system you need to have in place to support a true 3kw rms amp?
no mini alt/battery will even come close, yet alone the battery cables


My point exactly.

The orion 10.2 is a 1500w sub, not a 3000w, the peak wattage is generally pretty irrlivant.

Its the fact your mini is stripped that it WILL rattle, as ther eis noting adding weight to the panels, take a sheet of 1mm steel and bang the middle, its just a giant drum!

As for being quiet outside, i really woud like to see that! Theres something quite special you have done there if you have so sound insulation what so ever and you have managed to seal the mini without any reveb of the panels!

If we posted this discussion up on somewhere like talkaudio im afraid you would be torn to pieces. Most of the big audio guys reccomend spending the majority of your money on decent sound islation first, it increases volume and sound quality dramatically (Due to leaking pressure and reverbing panels which you seam to have managed to overcome somehow)

Finially, running an orion sub off a vibe amp is like transplanting a mini engine into a ferrari, just pointless. Overlooking the fact that i doubt a vibe amp would be capable of driving 1ohm all day.

And finally, your biggest mistake, how the hell are you running a 2ohm sub at 1ohm?

Rich

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Posted 03 October 2010 - 10:05 PM

One of my friends gained a full db by deadening the roof panel of his car.

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Posted 03 October 2010 - 11:31 PM

almost any sub on the market now a days can handle 3k watts, but the question is, how long can it handle a true 3kwrms? not peak watts but a true rms?
it comes down to sub building to make it handle 3k rms daily, the magnet and the size of it, the coil size, what the coil is made out of, the spiders and how many, the cone, the basket
and do you even know what kind of electric system you need to have in place to support a true 3kw rms amp?
no mini alt/battery will even come close, yet alone the battery cables


My point exactly.

The orion 10.2 is a 1500w sub, not a 3000w, the peak wattage is generally pretty irrlivant.

Its the fact your mini is stripped that it WILL rattle, as ther eis noting adding weight to the panels, take a sheet of 1mm steel and bang the middle, its just a giant drum!

As for being quiet outside, i really woud like to see that! Theres something quite special you have done there if you have so sound insulation what so ever and you have managed to seal the mini without any reveb of the panels!

If we posted this discussion up on somewhere like talkaudio im afraid you would be torn to pieces. Most of the big audio guys reccomend spending the majority of your money on decent sound islation first, it increases volume and sound quality dramatically (Due to leaking pressure and reverbing panels which you seam to have managed to overcome somehow)

Finially, running an orion sub off a vibe amp is like transplanting a mini engine into a ferrari, just pointless. Overlooking the fact that i doubt a vibe amp would be capable of driving 1ohm all day.

And finally, your biggest mistake, how the hell are you running a 2ohm sub at 1ohm?

Rich




Im starting to hate this forum its full of one way opinionated pricks you dont have to be rude about it, voice your opinions feel free but to ******* what i can afford and what im doing to my car and my audio ******* off!

#19 Sam Walters

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Posted 04 October 2010 - 02:24 PM

almost any sub on the market now a days can handle 3k watts, but the question is, how long can it handle a true 3kwrms? not peak watts but a true rms?
it comes down to sub building to make it handle 3k rms daily, the magnet and the size of it, the coil size, what the coil is made out of, the spiders and how many, the cone, the basket
and do you even know what kind of electric system you need to have in place to support a true 3kw rms amp?
no mini alt/battery will even come close, yet alone the battery cables


My point exactly.

The orion 10.2 is a 1500w sub, not a 3000w, the peak wattage is generally pretty irrlivant.

Its the fact your mini is stripped that it WILL rattle, as ther eis noting adding weight to the panels, take a sheet of 1mm steel and bang the middle, its just a giant drum!

As for being quiet outside, i really woud like to see that! Theres something quite special you have done there if you have so sound insulation what so ever and you have managed to seal the mini without any reveb of the panels!

If we posted this discussion up on somewhere like talkaudio im afraid you would be torn to pieces. Most of the big audio guys reccomend spending the majority of your money on decent sound islation first, it increases volume and sound quality dramatically (Due to leaking pressure and reverbing panels which you seam to have managed to overcome somehow)

Finially, running an orion sub off a vibe amp is like transplanting a mini engine into a ferrari, just pointless. Overlooking the fact that i doubt a vibe amp would be capable of driving 1ohm all day.

And finally, your biggest mistake, how the hell are you running a 2ohm sub at 1ohm?

Rich




Im starting to hate this forum its full of one way opinionated pricks you dont have to be rude about it, voice your opinions feel free but to ******* what i can afford and what im doing to my car and my audio ******* off!




Pick up your rattle and get back in your cot.

You've come onto this forum. Put members noses out, and when they have replied, you've had a hissy fit. Stop acting like a child who cant get their own way.

Now you openly admit, you've not used the correct materials for the task, how can you comment?

Anyhow to the original poster. Id suggest putting in a carpet under that i would put sound insulation. It serves more purpose then for stopping the noise caused by the stereo system you have. It helps stop road noise a fair amount as well, exhaust drone. ect ect.

I don`t understand how anyone can suggest that sound insulation serves no purpose. I get out of my car without any sound insulation what so ever after 20 minutes and my ears are ringing.

Edited by Sam Walters, 04 October 2010 - 03:25 PM.


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Posted 04 October 2010 - 02:43 PM

now now, we've all had a drink... calm down boys....

rather then tear the crap outta each other... should we not be helping each other?....

now when it comes to car audio i'd consider myself a bit handy... (about 15year worth, give or take)

yes the vibe amp he's using isnt the best bet, but for he's budget its not to bad a choise. but i will have to agree with the sound deadening... you should "bulk" out the bigger panels in the car and anything else that looks like its a tad on the flexy side....

PartySausage, i would suggest goin on the talkaudio forums as they are a very nice bunch of guys and girls... im sure rich can be a nice bloke too... if some-one sticks a pint in his hand and sits him down calmly... lol

either way can we disscuss this like grown ups please...

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Posted 04 October 2010 - 02:46 PM

almost any sub on the market now a days can handle 3k watts, but the question is, how long can it handle a true 3kwrms? not peak watts but a true rms?
it comes down to sub building to make it handle 3k rms daily, the magnet and the size of it, the coil size, what the coil is made out of, the spiders and how many, the cone, the basket
and do you even know what kind of electric system you need to have in place to support a true 3kw rms amp?
no mini alt/battery will even come close, yet alone the battery cables


My point exactly.

The orion 10.2 is a 1500w sub, not a 3000w, the peak wattage is generally pretty irrlivant.

Its the fact your mini is stripped that it WILL rattle, as ther eis noting adding weight to the panels, take a sheet of 1mm steel and bang the middle, its just a giant drum!

As for being quiet outside, i really woud like to see that! Theres something quite special you have done there if you have so sound insulation what so ever and you have managed to seal the mini without any reveb of the panels!

If we posted this discussion up on somewhere like talkaudio im afraid you would be torn to pieces. Most of the big audio guys reccomend spending the majority of your money on decent sound islation first, it increases volume and sound quality dramatically (Due to leaking pressure and reverbing panels which you seam to have managed to overcome somehow)

Finially, running an orion sub off a vibe amp is like transplanting a mini engine into a ferrari, just pointless. Overlooking the fact that i doubt a vibe amp would be capable of driving 1ohm all day.

And finally, your biggest mistake, how the hell are you running a 2ohm sub at 1ohm?

Rich




Im starting to hate this forum its full of one way opinionated pricks you dont have to be rude about it, voice your opinions feel free but to ******* what i can afford and what im doing to my car and my audio ******* off!



When you come onto an open forum, tell people who have been doing this for a long time that there doing it wrong, tell blatent lies about the capabilities and infact the setup of your system when you either dont have the knowledge or are just trying to big yourself up then expect everyone to respect you for it im not quite sure what you expected to recieve.

Im not trying to tell you to do it anyway specific way, im telling you the way 99% of the world does it and what just dosnt work, and you can make your options from there, but please dont go telling fibs about it. A 30 year old car, with single skin panels, thin glass windows and no form of deadning what so ever, will NOT contain pressure or not resonate, especially with such a powerful sub! Theres no reason to say you carnt do it, but dont expect it to be the same result as a fully deadened vehcile!


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Posted 04 October 2010 - 02:49 PM

PartySausage, i would suggest goin on the talkaudio forums as they are a very nice bunch of guys and girls... im sure rich can be a nice bloke too... if some-one sticks a pint in his hand and sits him down calmly... lol

either way can we disscuss this like grown ups please...


I apologise if im coming across that way, as i said in my earlier post, i have no problem with other peoples opinions, but when they pass them off as law when its just not possible i get annoyed.

As for using a vibe amp, agreed, its not the worst thing out there, it was more that fact that he has a pretty nice, mid range sub, so why waste its capabilities with a far insupieriour amp. Plus that fact that hes somehow running it at 1ohm when the driver has a 2ohm impedance rating.

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Posted 04 October 2010 - 02:57 PM

PartySausage, i would suggest goin on the talkaudio forums as they are a very nice bunch of guys and girls... im sure rich can be a nice bloke too... if some-one sticks a pint in his hand and sits him down calmly... lol

either way can we disscuss this like grown ups please...


I apologise if im coming across that way, as i said in my earlier post, i have no problem with other peoples opinions, but when they pass them off as law when its just not possible i get annoyed.

As for using a vibe amp, agreed, its not the worst thing out there, it was more that fact that he has a pretty nice, mid range sub, so why waste its capabilities with a far insupieriour amp. Plus that fact that hes somehow running it at 1ohm when the driver has a 2ohm impedance rating.

Rich

...ok then, but correct him, dont slate him... he's missinformed thats all he cant help that. im gonna assumme this is hes first set up and we can help him along the way to turning it into a GREAT set up... but dont butcher the poor lad!

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Posted 04 October 2010 - 03:04 PM

Had he came on asking questions then yep, no problem with that at all. But giving people wrong advice about his system thats not possible to achive just rattles my cage!

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Posted 04 October 2010 - 03:20 PM

Had he came on asking questions then yep, no problem with that at all. But giving people wrong advice about his system thats not possible to achive just rattles my cage!

Rich

so correct him... he's just misinformed thas all.... at some point some-one has mislead him about what hes doing/done and what it can do and he's taken it as the truth.

you should be screaming at who ever told/tought him... its not his fault

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Posted 07 October 2010 - 02:38 PM

Dayyyym! Thanks guys for all the helpful replies ;)
I already have the original sound deadening stuff at the back so I might put some more stuff on the footwell and bulkhead then cover floor and bench in red carpet so it still looks stripped lol. I still haven't got a sub yet, I'm too poor :P

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Posted 08 October 2010 - 10:53 AM

Dayyyym! Thanks guys for all the helpful replies :)
I already have the original sound deadening stuff at the back so I might put some more stuff on the footwell and bulkhead then cover floor and bench in red carpet so it still looks stripped lol. I still haven't got a sub yet, I'm too poor :proud:

Thanks
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