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#16 Spider

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Posted 21 June 2016 - 11:00 PM

To put it another way- my mini has a very stiff gear lever moving anywhere side-to-side whilst trying to select gears.

 

That is most likely the reverse gear bush, however, to be sure it's internal and not external, select Neutral then remove one of the roll pins from the shifter rod and see if the shifter itself is easy or hard to move and then put something (Small Phillips driver) into the selector rod hole on the gearbox side and see if that's easy to turn, that will then show you if it's internal or external.

 

The shift rod going in to the gearbox is normally very easy to turn when in Neutral.



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Posted 21 June 2016 - 11:03 PM

To put it another way- my mini has a very stiff gear lever moving anywhere side-to-side whilst trying to select gears.

 

I'd be removing the 6 or 8 screws on plate on the bottom of the selector (taking note of witch way its fitted) and cleaning out all the old grease (mine had gone rock hard it was that old) re-greasing and refitting the plate.



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Posted 10 July 2016 - 10:38 PM

Thanks for the help guys :) Will probably update this after I've investigated further.



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Posted 13 July 2016 - 02:28 PM

This may be a daft question, but why would the reverse idler gear have any involvement in the selection of only two forward gears? It may well have its own problems, but affecting 1st and 3rd only? How?

How old is this Mini? Pre rod change, this is the exact symptom of worn, or loose on their splines, knuckles in the linkage. Modern rod change, quite possibly nothing more than linkage or even worn roll pin or coupling, or engine not sitting correctly (worn mounts?) so there isn't enough travel in the 1st and 3rd direction.

I suggest not having the engine out until the linkage is fully checked. Hope it is an easy one!

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Posted 13 July 2016 - 02:34 PM

This may be a daft question, but why would the reverse idler gear have any involvement in the selection of only two forward gears? It may well have its own problems, but affecting 1st and 3rd only? How?

How old is this Mini? Pre rod change, this is the exact symptom of worn, or loose on their splines, knuckles in the linkage. Modern rod change, quite possibly nothing more than linkage or even worn roll pin or coupling, or engine not sitting correctly (worn mounts?) so there isn't enough travel in the 1st and 3rd direction.

I suggest not having the engine out until the linkage is fully checked. Hope it is an easy one!

 

Mid 80's box's had a two piece bush that split and walked, having had this happen to me, and fixed by a gearbox expert, it was the reverse idler bush.

 

Nigh on impossible at times across the gate, and hard to select reverse...



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Posted 13 July 2016 - 08:30 PM

This may be a daft question, but why would the reverse idler gear have any involvement in the selection of only two forward gears? It may well have its own problems, but affecting 1st and 3rd only? How?

How old is this Mini? Pre rod change, this is the exact symptom of worn, or loose on their splines, knuckles in the linkage. Modern rod change, quite possibly nothing more than linkage or even worn roll pin or coupling, or engine not sitting correctly (worn mounts?) so there isn't enough travel in the 1st and 3rd direction.

I suggest not having the engine out until the linkage is fully checked. Hope it is an easy one!

 

 

Having read this thread, I highly suspect it's the reverse idler bush on my 1986 A+ City E that's causing the stiffness I've found when changing across the gate. It's really bad and actually gives me a sore elbow if I've driven the car for a long journey.

 

 

To put it another way- my mini has a very stiff gear lever moving anywhere side-to-side whilst trying to select gears.

 

Key phrases bolded ;D

 

Being an 86 A+, it's almost certainly a Rod Shift, unless someone has changed out the gearbox at some point.

 

The stiff movement of the gear stick, from side to side across the Neutral Gate is a symptom of the Reverse Idler Gear Bush walking out as Midas Mk1 has said.

 

When the bush, which were two piece in this model, walks out, it doesn't allow the reverse Idler to go back completely to the Neutral position, the slots through the Bell Cranks don't line up and this exerts a force on the Shifting Shaft and Interlock Spool, making it stiff to move. As it gets worse, the only gear that will be selectable will be Reverse.

 

Once the engine is out, it's only a matter of separating the gearbox off it, removing the laygear which gives access to the reverse idler, whip that out, fit another (with a 1 piece bush!), reassemble and then it's time for a well earned beer.


Edited by Moke Spider, 13 July 2016 - 08:33 PM.


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Posted 16 July 2016 - 08:04 PM

Moke Spider, thank you for that explanation, which does make perfect sense.




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