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[mk3 Cooper S]

It maybe to comply with the tmf rules and not selling a shell without a V5 or vise virsa.

[Ethel]

You didn't Carlos, but it is mentioned before the shell in the topic title and aren't we having the conversation because we are all aware that V5's are considered to have a value without the car?

You can't get away from the fact that selling a vehicle identity without a vehicle is illegal, and for good reasons.

[mk3 Cooper S]

Selling a v5c is not illegal as you dont actually own it. Using it and ringing a vehicle is illegal

[Ethel]

You can't legally sell what you don't own.

It says on a V5 what it's for and what you have to do with it.

[waddle]

you can sell the bit of paper, if an enthusiast wants it on his wall cant you

[Ethel]

No.

If you're the keeper of the car you have to have it & if you dispose of the car you have to transfer it to the new keeper, or return it the DVLA to record the vehicle as scrapped.

Why would someone pay you several hundred quid for a random old form to put on their wall, would you?

[waddle]

how many people scrap a car with a v5? most people keep them,
iv seen a few old green logbooks go to colectors, even though its usless, there a funny bunch lol

[daddy2coull]

you lot make me laugh, there are plenty of people who have sold bodyshell's on this forum without being accused of selling the remains of a car they have stolen or being accused of being a theif!!! plenty of double standards here.

i personally would like to see shell's of the correct era re used to keep old cars alive. a short while ago i even considered it myself.

if it isn't against the rules already, i think selling shells without V5's and vice versa should be against the rules with offenders being banned. maybe will put the problem to bed.

as for the original poster, i'd say the car would be worth at least £300-500 as although the car maybe beyond the skills of most of us, there are other more talented people out there

[mk3 Cooper S]

You can't legally sell what you don't own.

It says on a V5 what it's for and what you have to do with it.

He legally owns the shell and the V5C proves he is the legal keeper - the paperwork is just borrowed from the DVLA whilst the ID of a vehicle is active and not declared scrap.

[adam_93rio]

90% of the people commenting on this are down right stupid. How can you all be so thick as to think that the op is a thief?
Nobody is saying that e is sellin a stolen car, why would anyone in the world steal a shell then sell the id? That would make the theft link directly to you. So somebody wouldn't do that.

It's clearly stated that it PROMOTES theft.

To put it in plain text so the people here with less common sense can understand it.

Hypothetically:
I see a nice mini when travelling about, say in a different city. I then decide I like this mini so much I track it down and take it on a trailer or hot wore and steal it.
I then put it in my garage, take off the plates, the vin number etc. anything that proves the identity of this car.
I then go on the Internet and find a v5 for sale. Buy the v5, put the number plates on the car I've stolen and rake it for an mot, tax it then sell it on making a tidy profit of probably a couple of grand.

How is it so difficult to understand what the massive debate is on this thread for. Somebody selling a v5 isn't a thief, but simply making it easier for theifs to get away with it.

Equally, I can't understand why people are even mensioning this an hijacking this guys thread. He wanted a valuation for his mk1 mini shell with a v5. As I've said before, ALL minis are restorable. Just because you may not have the money to pay someone to rebuild it, or the skills to do it yourself doesn't mean it cant be done.

This debate is happening because of people either being thick, or on their high horse. So in my personal opinion this thread needs a good clearout and everybody told to stop being little bitches about eveuthing

[jameswildcooper]

this thread is funny, full of funny people

Edited by jameswildcooper, 24 June 2012 - 10:08 AM.

[charie t]

so how much is it worth?
as that was the original question

[waddle]

its gota be worth about 400 just for the log book........

[Ethel]

You can only restore a car, and keep its original identity if you retain enough major components

CARS AND CAR-DERIVED VANS MUST USE:
• The original unmodified chassis or unaltered bodyshell (i.e. body and chassis as one unit – monocoque); or
• a new chassis or monocoque bodyshell of the same specification as the original supported by evidence from the dealer/manufacturer (e.g. receipt)
AND two other major components from the original vehicle – see list below
• Suspension (front & back)
• Axles (both)
• Transmission

• Steering assembly
• Engine

I'm sure you could count the number of Minis that would qualify as tax exempt and are still unregistered (no V5 attainable) on the fingers of one foot, so there's no need to advertise the fact if you are legitimately selling a car for restoration. Completeness and condition is what matters.

It is relatively easy to steal a car, to protect yours there's a registration system to make it harder to acquire an identity to go with it. Let's not undermine it, and the security of all Minis, if we are a community.