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[simonhershaw]

Hey guys I have just bought a 1990 rover mini city 1000 but I've noticed it has no side indicators and no fog light? Does it require these for a mot or not?

(It has 11 months test left on it) just curious that's all.

Thanks simon :)

[corbot]

needs a rear fog light, not sure about side indicators but mine doesn't have them so i'd assume not, to my knowledge anyway.

[alex-95]

Fog light : This inspection applies to the one rear fog lamp which is required to be fitted to the centre or offside of vehicles first used on or after 1 April 1980

Indicators :Vehicles first used on or after 1 April 1986 must be fitted with one side repeater indicator on each side.   Instead of a separate lamp, the side repeater might be part of the front direction indicator if it includes a wraparound lens.

[simonhershaw]

So basically I need to wire up a fog light for next year lol. Might ask the garage who tested it why it wasn't spotted.

[simonhershaw]

Thanks for the advice too guys ! :)

[Dan]

  As said a '90 requires side repeaters too, the front indicators are not wraparound lamps.  They aren't visible from the angles required of side repeaters.

[simonhershaw]

Great :/ must have been a good garage that passed it for a mot lol

[minisilverbullet]

Dont you have holes for where the side indicators should be? 

[sonikk4]

Dont you have holes for where the side indicators should be? 

 

Could have had replacement wings without the repeater holes. The wiring should still be in the car if you are lucky for the fog light. 

[Dan]

  Yes it will be wired for both, and fitting the fog lamp is easy (don't be tempted to turn part of a rear cluster into a fog lamp as it doesn't satisfy the law).  It's just fitting the side repeater units that will be a problem if the wings aren't pierced.

[AVV IT]

It's relatively common for people to fit replacement wings without side repeater holes on post 86 cars, either for styling reasons or simply because unpeirced wings tend to be cheaper to buy. It's illegal, but such cars often do go through an MOT unnoticed as it takes an eagle eyed MOT inspector to spot that they're actually missing.

 

It's a potential insurance problem though, as it's an illegal mod and the whole point of side repeaters is to increase lateral visibility when turning. If you were to have an accident and an eagle eyed insurance inspector were to notice that your side repeaters had been removed, you could find yourself accused of contributing to the collision and face either a reduced settlement, or a completely void claim. You do of course have the option of declaring the modification to your insurer, so that you are covered, but then they really don't tend to be too keen on accepting illegal modifications. 

 

In short you really need to get busy, with a very sharp drill bit, a hacksaw blade and a file, and cut yourself some holes for a pair of side repeaters. The lack of a fog lamp is also an issue and similarly shouldn't pass an MOT, but it's less of an immediate issue than the absence of side repeaters, that is unless you intend on driving anywhere in the fog any time soon!

Edited by AVV IT, 19 May 2013 - 06:54 PM.

[iwatkins]

If you dont want to cut your wings for repeaters, our previous owner obviously couldn't be bothered, there are other options.

E.g. we have LED repeaters stuck to the doors just below the mirrors. No holes required as the cable runs under the mirror base then into the door then to behind the dash. Does the job and passed the MoT couple of weeks ago.

Cheers

Ian

[AVV IT]

If you dont want to cut your wings for repeaters, our previous owner obviously couldn't be bothered, there are other options.
 

 

Yeah good point, you do after all just need side repeaters on a post 86 car, not necessarily the standard one's that require butchery of your wings. If you use non standard/ aftermarket side repeaters, you will need to advise your insurance company of the modification though obviously.

[iwatkins]

Indeed. And you must use E marked lights too, many on eBay for example are not E marked and hence not approved.

Cheers

Ian

[simonhershaw]

Jesus, I was thinking just running a wire under the wheel arch and putting indicators above the wheel arch. And yes ill check for the fog light wires. if there not there were do I run the fog light off?