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[Bungle]

Strange how Webber starts flying as soon as Vettel is out. Doesn't take much to alter a few settings from the pits. I don't blame Webber for leaving, I don't think he has been on equal footing for a long time.

 

it does you have to plug a computer into the car and they only stop in the pits for around 3 seconds

[Sam14]

Like to point out its nothing to do with the drivers. Watch hamiltons tyre before it goes boom. Swells up and pulls him to one side..

They all split on the inside wall as well

[surfblue63]

Both Raikkonen and Alonso were lucky not to loose their heads today. Pirelli should be fined for not supplying tyres suitable for the job in hand. My guess is that they will be on 2012 tyres at next weekends race.

 

And Rosberg was lucky not to get a penalty for ignoring the yellow flags. He was only 11 seconds ahead of Raikkonen when the safety car was deployed for Vettles car, but he managed to pit and return to the track ahead of Chilton and Raikkonen at the end of that lap. Also Webber was not to far behind (about 10 seconds) Rosberg when he pitted, but I guess the stewards didn't want to give them penalties and hand Alonso the victory. The biased British media would have had a field day.

[Tamworthbay]

Strange how Webber starts flying as soon as Vettel is out. Doesn't take much to alter a few settings from the pits. I don't blame Webber for leaving, I don't think he has been on equal footing for a long time.

 
it does you have to plug a computer into the car and they only stop in the pits for around 3 seconds

Hmmm, strange? So why do they get the driver to change settings during the race if it doesn't do anything? How can you know what each setting does and that they do the same for both drivers?

[Bungle]

that's not the team changing settings , the driver can change settings but the team can only monitor what is going on while racing

[Black.Ghost]

I didn't watch the race but I have heard about the tyres going pop. If it is just a case of crap tyres, Pirelli need to be fined because it was dangerous. I have, however, also heard that it might be due to some sharp kerning on the corners and the drivers pushing it hard could have led to problems. Having not watched the race, I have no idea what actually happened. There is an enquiry due to go on so hopefully that will shed some light on it.

 

Vettel does need bringing down a bit. I much prefer Webber. He just seems a nicer guy.

[Black.Ghost]

Update - just listened to the Derek Watwick interview on Sky News. Quite interesting and he has said that the FIA have had no complaints about the track or kerbs and that it is entirely the fault of the tyres.

 

He also talked about Pirellu tyre test with one of the teams a couple of weeks ago, trying to make a stronger tyre for the British GP, and yet 3 teams voted against using the new tyre, which was in fact stronger. Teams have themselves to blame there I feel.

[Mini-Mad-Craig]

It's the evolution of a sport and the switch to Pirellis was a part of that. All sports go through changes and motorsport is always the one which changes and develops most.

 

It's scary to see tyre failures but I dont blame Perilli soley, the state of Silverstones curbing even after 'refurbishment' is quite frankly pathetic.

 

I also dont blame the tyers for such a boring series anymore, compare it to the likes of endurance racing and even GP2 and Formula 1 is just very boring now, it's all politics and all talk, Bernie is in the background leeching from everybody involved and generally ruining things... I hope Formula 1 catches a break sometime soon, I think once the new regs have settled and become normal in around 2015 it might become interesting again.

Edited by Mini-Mad-Craig, 01 July 2013 - 02:00 PM.

[jaydee]

Pirreli wanted to introduce a different kevlar tyre due to this kind of problem, but the teams said NO we want the old marmalade tyres..

FIA asked crappy tyres to pirelli for the 2013 championship -> pirelli said 'houston we have a problem, better to switch to new tyres' -> teams said ' no we dont give a crap'.

NOW FIA is blaming on Paul Hambery? LOL Jean Todt go home please......

[Tamworthbay]

that's not the team changing settings , the driver can change settings but the team can only monitor what is going on while racing

The team have the telemetry and inform the drivers what setting to use. The drivers have very little under their own initiative - its generally the best way, you don't want drivers thinking about stuff. They have a habit of crashing when otherwise.

[Cooperman]

Pirreli wanted to introduce a different kevlar tyre due to this kind of problem, but the teams said NO we want the old marmalade tyres..
FIA asked crappy tyres to pirelli for the 2013 championship -> pirelli said 'houston we have a problem, better to switch to new tyres' -> teams said ' no we dont give a crap'.
NOW FIA is blaming on Paul Hambery? LOL Jean Todt go home please......

According to my son, who works for Mercedes F1, Pirelli were very keen to introduce/re-introduce a tyre with Kevlar reinforcing. But for this to happen all of the teams must agree and Ferrari and Force India both vetoed this. So we know who to blame - and it's not Pirelli.
The other teams wanted the change, but all must agree.

[surfblue63]

I think Pirelli are to blame as they changed the tyre construction for 2013. Tyres have been failing all season but nothing has been done. 

 

The reasons Force India, Ferrari and Lotus didn't want the tyres changed was to do with compounds. Mercedes and RedBull wanted hard compounds, which suit their cars, but the others felt they would loose their advantage as their car designed used to tyres more efficiently.

 

Pirelli have tried all season to play down the problem, and have carried out tests with a 2011 Ferrari and the 2013 Mercedes to try and find a solution.

 

A tyre with a Kevlar belt was taken to Canada, but due to the wet conditions not enough could be learnt about the tyre for all the teams to agree on its use. The tyres were also used in Friday practice at Silverstone and these maybe the tyres that are used in Germany.

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk...rmula1/23122185

 

 

The delaminations, it seems clear now, were a consequence of Pirelli's decision to change the construction for this season, to go for a radial tyre, with a softer sidewall and steel belt (the material that runs around the circumference if the tyre, beneath the layer of rubber), rather than the hybrid crossply/radial of last season, which was stiffer, and had a Kevlar belt. The join between the sidewalls and tread was not as tough and was failing under stress.

On the other was the fact that the tyre compounds - the durability of the rubber - had been changed to make them softer. The teams who were struggling with this - notably Red Bull and Mercedes - were campaigning for harder tyres. The teams who had good tyre durability - Ferrari, Lotus and Force India - rejected that argument.

 

Pirelli took a tyre with a different construction, which it intended to introduce at Silverstone, to Canada three weeks ago, for the teams to try in practice. But it rained, so not enough running was done to reassure the teams that this would not change the behaviour of the tyre, in the way Ferrari, Force India and Lotus were concerned it would.

 

Edited by surfblue63, 03 July 2013 - 02:39 AM.

[jaydee]

 

Pirreli wanted to introduce a different kevlar tyre due to this kind of problem, but the teams said NO we want the old marmalade tyres..
FIA asked crappy tyres to pirelli for the 2013 championship -> pirelli said 'houston we have a problem, better to switch to new tyres' -> teams said ' no we dont give a crap'.
NOW FIA is blaming on Paul Hambery? LOL Jean Todt go home please......

According to my son, who works for Mercedes F1, Pirelli were very keen to introduce/re-introduce a tyre with Kevlar reinforcing. But for this to happen all of the teams must agree and Ferrari and Force India both vetoed this. So we know who to blame - and it's not Pirelli.
The other teams wanted the change, but all must agree.

 

 

Also seems like 2013 tyres are asymetrical and some teams swapped them around at silverstone, possibly underinflating the tyres, but who knows..

[Old Bob]

Interesting that the latest statement from Pirelli says:

 

The teams had put the rear tyres intended for the right side of the car on the left to gain a competitive advantage, had run them at lower pressures than recommended by the manufacturer and used extreme cambers. They also contended that the kerbs at fast corners, and specifically turn four, were also "particularly aggressive".

 

So, nobody comes out of it well, but the teams themselves must accept much of the blame.

 

Bob

[Black.Ghost]

No one was ever going to fully accept the blame.

If what has been said is true, all those who vetoed the tyre change and experienced exploding tyres have nothing to complain about. It's sport. It's how it goes. You make a choice, you accept the consequences.