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[danm]

Apologies if this is asking the obvious, but is an approx. 3cm hole at the bottom of the passenger side flitch (about 3cm in from where it joins the floorpan) a near strucutrual element and thus an MOT fail?

 

The same for a 2cm hole in the middle of the front wing?

 

Going to get it patch welded regardless, but was hoping to book the car in for a weekend I know I could get both the welding done, plus hit minispares and fix whatever else comes up a fail all within 10 days so I can be back on the road with it.

Any advice is most appreciated. Obviously pics would help, so I will try tonight to get some up...

 

 

WING (I poked a 2cm hole into that bubbling, the rest is ok for now, I checked underneath its better than it looks. The grey in the scuttle is actually chalk dust, not corrosion)

 

 

 

 

FLITCH
(pic pending)

Edited by danm, 30 January 2014 - 03:07 PM.

[sonikk4]

Is the hole within 300 mm of a subframe mounting point if so it will fail

[ado15]

I don't believe the wing should fail, but you should cover any sharp edges.

 

The lower flitch is likely to be too close to a structural point to pass.

[CityEPete]

As the mini is a monocoque car isnt the entire sill classed as structural? so within 300 of the whole sill in all directions would be a fail. The wing hole wont matter IMO. I have not seen many minis that would pass a real MOT anyway,lol.

[sonikk4]

Whats a real MOT then, the garage i take all of my cars to does real MOT's. It failed a mini i took last year due to rust within 300 mm of the front subframe rear mount. He did not fail the hole in the bottom of the oversill (already on the car) but issued an advisory. It was not within 300 mm of a structural hard point.

 

Yes a mini is a monocoque design like most new cars so if thats the case the hole in the wing would be a failure then as its within 300 mm of a subframe mounting point????   

[danm]

Here is the bottom flitch hole in question.

 

I will be grinding it all down first to see the full extent (I know a total replacement is more viable looking at it, but most of it is surface corrosion).

 

The floor panel will be replaced for definite, so can I 'cheat' and patch weld that hole?

 

As you can see, the rest of the flitch is in scarily good condition, just the jammed up floor pans where the cowboys/previous owner jacked the car up incorrectly.

 

Edited by danm, 30 January 2014 - 06:32 PM.

[CityEPete]

Well thats where the fun begins isnt it, where was the hole in the sill then? seat belt anchor points on most newer cars will fall within the 300mm anyway but this guide shows how its not clear cut, the reson the wing hole is not going to be a clear fail is the section regarding 300mm from the load bearing structure and its supporting panel work as we know from flip front minis the wings and front panel are mainly just for show.

 

http://www.motuk.co...._appendix_c.htm

[CityEPete]

See that IMO would class as supporting panel work associated with the rear front subframe mounts even though its probably more than 300mm from the actual mount, that said my mini came with 12 months ticket like so many do but it has various areas of corrosion it should fail on even though it would be unlikely to actually fall to bits.

Edited by CityEPete, 30 January 2014 - 06:34 PM.

[CityEPete]

http://www.motuk.co....pendix_pics.htm

 

Grey areas fail, see what I mean about real MOTs? Lol. it actually shows that the outer wing is not included in the diagram fairly similar to a mini construction.

 

They cant poke through your repair either, only apply some pressure!

Edited by CityEPete, 30 January 2014 - 06:40 PM.

[sonikk4]

The hole was fwd of the jacking point around the slinging bracket. Now personally i would have failed it on that but as he said it had not been welded and it was over 300 mm away from a hard point then he was happy to give an advisory. I did do some extra welding there anyway as i loathe oversills but you could see where the bodger had not taken the slinging bracket off. Stupid really.

 

Anyway back to the OP i think he will fail that anyway as its quite large. lets be honest any rust in a mini is not good and they need all the strength they can get. Patch it for the time being and look to doing a proper repair when time allows. 

[danm]

Thats what I mean - if I patch welded that, it would be OK to pass the MOT you think?

Then just get on with doing it properly in the coming weeks and replace the floor pan.

 

The urgency to get it through it's MOT is only because if I don't, I fear my motivation will slow with a car thats off the road.

 

I also want to take it out for a club event at the end of the month, so a quick fix before a real fix is the aim.

[sonikk4]

Patch welding will be fine and you could do one on the wing as well underneath the hole then fill over it for a temp fix.

[CityEPete]

If you patch weld that it will still be better than mine that recently passed it's test, lol

[danm]

Thanks guys :) This is why I love this forum!

[sonikk4]

We aim to please............. well most of the time anyway