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#46 CCX

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Posted 12 March 2015 - 07:23 PM

 

If you can find a restored MPi that might be better. As carthorse says, good MPis will either have really low mileage or have had lots of bodywork done - mine falls into the latter category! It's on 66k and there's no rust on the body at all, so there are solid MPis out there, you just need to look hard and be prepared to wait. That's why I like the idea of a stop gap car - you may have to wait 3 months + to get a really nice MPi at the right price. If you can get a solid, restored one, and you look after the bodywork and keep it in good order, that will cut out the main expensive area on a Mini. The mechanicals are cheap to fix compared to a modern car for the most part, it's the bodywork where things really get expensive. I always keep mine waxoiled underneath, keep the arches clean, polish and wax etc. The previous owner was very fastidious though, he even waxoiled on the inside, around the windscreen seal!

 

What sort of money is required to buy the condition you describe? 

 

I'd say that £6k should easily get you a really tidy, restored MPi with great bodywork if buying privately. But you'd need to look it over thoroughly and be 100% sure that the car was solid before you bought it.



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Posted 12 March 2015 - 10:34 PM

I know of one going which is almond green, 60k, S reg, not restored but has been well looked after apparently. Had engine and brake enhancements. I've been made aware of it by minichanics in Romiley, a stone's throw from me. I believe they are highly regarded and the owner is very friendly and knowledgeable. It's very tempting to have a look at it, especially as its my first pick colour....

 

But my plan at the weekend is to first look at a Fiat 500 twinair, 2012 model. They get awesome reviews for reliability and it sounds like a reasonable amount of fun. For c.£7500 and sub 20k miles, its a real head over heart decision. I'll know whether I like it within half a mile of driving it.

 

by the way, sorry for boring the whatsits off everyone on this saga. I get quite into buying vehicles (usually bikes, not cars) and tend to over-think it! I'm a market researcher by trade, I can't help but do loads of research and analysis...


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Posted 12 March 2015 - 10:50 PM

Make sure you take an extended test drive in the Twinair including some hills. Also don't expect great economy if you do want to use what power the engine has. It's a nice unit but certainly has its pitfalls.

Personally I've found the diesel or the 1.4 to be the sweetest engines in the 500 but we're not all the same.

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Posted 12 March 2015 - 11:43 PM

Make sure you take an extended test drive in the Twinair including some hills. Also don't expect great economy if you do want to use what power the engine has. It's a nice unit but certainly has its pitfalls.

Personally I've found the diesel or the 1.4 to be the sweetest engines in the 500 but we're not all the same.

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Why do say that chief? Is the twinair a bit gutless? Reviews suggested it had a decent bit of shove for an 875cc, and even more torque than the 1.4? http://www.autocar.c...iat-500-twinair

 

Hill ability is very important where I live. Nothing but steep ones all around Marple/Derbyshire/Glossop! My 'returned' mini coped very well and on paper the twinair has 20bhp and 35lb/ft more so it should fly up them.

 

I don't care about poor MPG as the car will do <2k pa.



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Posted 12 March 2015 - 11:53 PM

Yeah we had a TwinAir Panda for a little while and while it was a very characterful and enjoyable engine when driven hard, it didn't return the best economy and obviously wasn't as smooth as a 4-cylinder. Depends what you want from the car I suppose. We have a 1.2 FIRE engined Panda now and it's a lot quieter and smoother, but obviously more boring too!



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Posted 13 March 2015 - 12:42 AM


Make sure you take an extended test drive in the Twinair including some hills. Also don't expect great economy if you do want to use what power the engine has. It's a nice unit but certainly has its pitfalls.

Personally I've found the diesel or the 1.4 to be the sweetest engines in the 500 but we're not all the same.

Matt.

 
Why do say that chief? Is the twinair a bit gutless? Reviews suggested it had a decent bit of shove for an 875cc, and even more torque than the 1.4? http://www.autocar.c...iat-500-twinair
 
Hill ability is very important where I live. Nothing but steep ones all around Marple/Derbyshire/Glossop! My 'returned' mini coped very well and on paper the twinair has 20bhp and 35lb/ft more so it should fly up them.
 
I don't care about poor MPG as the car will do <2k pa.

It's a sweet little engine but you lose economy when you drive it hard, and lack tractability if you don't.

As I said it's personal preference so you might love it. If you don't at least there are other engines to try instead.

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Posted 13 March 2015 - 08:52 PM

 

 

Make sure you take an extended test drive in the Twinair including some hills. Also don't expect great economy if you do want to use what power the engine has. It's a nice unit but certainly has its pitfalls.

Personally I've found the diesel or the 1.4 to be the sweetest engines in the 500 but we're not all the same.

Matt.

 
Why do say that chief? Is the twinair a bit gutless? Reviews suggested it had a decent bit of shove for an 875cc, and even more torque than the 1.4? http://www.autocar.c...iat-500-twinair
 
Hill ability is very important where I live. Nothing but steep ones all around Marple/Derbyshire/Glossop! My 'returned' mini coped very well and on paper the twinair has 20bhp and 35lb/ft more so it should fly up them.
 
I don't care about poor MPG as the car will do <2k pa.

It's a sweet little engine but you lose economy when you drive it hard, and lack tractability if you don't.

As I said it's personal preference so you might love it. If you don't at least there are other engines to try instead.

Matt.

 

 

Test drive tomorrow. I'll let you know what I think!



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Posted 13 March 2015 - 10:11 PM

I drove a Fiat 500 1.3 Diesel last weekend. What a superb little car. The guy who owns it is also the owner of a Mk.1 1275 'S' and he feels the Fiat is the closest you can get to original Mini driving feel.

However, a classic car cannot be compared to a modern car of any type and it is pretty pointless to try.

Modern cars are for modern driving and classics are for enjoying the retro-driving experience.



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Posted 14 March 2015 - 09:19 PM

Agree with you Cooperman. Test drove the Twinair today. I don't think it drove like a mini at all, it was more like my Touran! However, it is well designed, drove nicely, had a bit of character, was a good price and so I've bought it.

 

Head won over heart on this occasion but I will get another mini one day. It's just not quite right for the family's needs at the moment. Thanks for everyone's help on the forum during my short flirtation. I hope to be back one day! All the best

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Posted 14 March 2015 - 10:16 PM

That looks lovely buckers. I really like the 500's, never driven one but it's one of a very few new car designs that I can look at and think that it is a genuinely small car - most small cars these days are really quite big cars trying to look small!

 

I'm sure you will have great fun in that, and as you say it is probably the best option for you just now what with the family situation etc. If possible, maybe a mini in the future sometime as a second car - that way you don't need to spend so much to try to avoid any issues.

 

Good luck and enjoy your new toy! :proud:



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Posted 15 March 2015 - 10:30 AM

Interestingly the R50 New MINI and the New Fiat 500 were both designed by Frank Stephenson and both increased in size over the original classic versions by about the same amount.

 

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