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#1 Dan-laura

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Posted 29 April 2015 - 08:35 PM

Hi all, hopefully this is in the right part of the forum. I have got a bit confused with the whole IVA testing. I have a 72 clubman that has already been space framed and I plan to use a modified MGF rear axle with a ZX10R engine powering the rear wheels. The car was an abandoned project so came off the road many years ago a slightly rotten car and now is in pieces. I have tried to google to see if i carry on with the work that I would need to IVA the car but then I read on a post that the IVA test is for cars first registered from 2013, my car is already registered with the DVLA.
Any help will be greatly appreciated.

 



#2 corrado vr6

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Posted 29 April 2015 - 08:46 PM

So is it registered with the DVLA as having a bike engine fitted? Is this stated on the V5?

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Posted 29 April 2015 - 08:49 PM

this should help -

 

http://www.theminifo...he-law/?hl= iva

 

I would say yes , it needs an IVA / BIVA / SVA  or similar , if it hasn't already had one ,

 

ie DVLA records show the correct engine / body type

 

edit - & DVLA has changed it's name - but can't remember what it is now

 

edit - Driver & Vehicle Standards Agency


Edited by sledgehammer, 29 April 2015 - 08:54 PM.


#4 Dan-laura

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Posted 29 April 2015 - 08:49 PM

no it just says 1000cc on the v5 no mention of what type of engine, the previous owner started the project but abandoned it so it is effectively still an original clubman if you know what i mean



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Posted 29 April 2015 - 08:53 PM

thanks sledgehammer i am reading through that now but thats where even more confusion is added with the bit about new cars registered after 2013 needing the iva test but as it was technically registered when first made back in 72 



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Posted 29 April 2015 - 09:02 PM

Its under modified vehicle regulations, either highly modified, substantially modified or something like that, I can't remember the exact term.

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Posted 29 April 2015 - 09:41 PM

Sounds to me from what you have said, that it will need an IVA test to be 100% legal

Edited by corrado vr6, 29 April 2015 - 09:41 PM.


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Posted 29 April 2015 - 09:47 PM

thanks guys got a long way to go still before it goes for any kind of test but as its a grey area i thought i would see if you guys could help, cheers



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Posted 29 April 2015 - 10:18 PM

I'm in the same predicament with another of my projects, I'm putting a jago geep body on to a Suzuki chassis, strictly speaking it should be classed as a body swap so no IVA but all depends I guess on whether I get Hitler or Schindler when I submit my paperwork

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Posted 29 April 2015 - 10:25 PM

it gets more confusing when there are z cars minis on ebay still on original plates, from watching the old scrapheap challenge scrappy races show there was a team that based there car on something that was existing and this meant they didnt IVA their car but the others did as they build one off specials. 



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Posted 29 April 2015 - 11:38 PM

The thing to bear in mind is what the DVLA (or DVSA now) consider to be the same car registered in 72. Change enough stuff and it becomes a new one that just happens to be built using bits from a '72 clubby - that's why they make you have a new registration number. They also aren't interested in when your MG-Kawa-Mini was built, rather when it was first registered in its current incarnation, if it's never been on the road it will require an IVA to be legit.



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Posted 30 April 2015 - 06:35 AM

There always seems to be a lot of argument about the IVA and whether or not cars qualify.
What no-one seems to do is ask the DVSA. I'd suggest that's your best starting point.

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Posted 30 April 2015 - 07:33 AM

There always seems to be a lot of argument about the IVA and whether or not cars qualify.
What no-one seems to do is ask the DVSA. I'd suggest that's your best starting point.


Oh, I've been down that route. Believe me, it didn't clarify the issue at all. I got bounced between a guy at DVLA and a guy at VOSA. All I'd asked was whether removing part of the inner wings and fitting an aftermarket subframe was going to be considered a "radically altered vehicle" and neither of them could answer me.

All I was doing was trimming the bottom off the inner wings to fit the subframe and welding a box into the bulkhead/toe board to clear the gear linkage and they were 50/50 about the car requiring an IVA. I sent photos and diagrams and question after question. In the end their answer was to just declare the engine change on the logbook and take it for MOT!

In my opinion, the car in question does require an IVA as it's radically altered. The fact the most of the Z-Cars conversions have "got away with it" doesn't alter the legal requirements, it just means they've not been caught out.

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Posted 30 April 2015 - 08:28 AM

There's no grey area with the Mini mentioned here. The monocoque has been altered and therefore it s no longer the vehicle that was registered in 1972. It's going to need to go through IVA.

 

The old regulations allowed cars that were radically altered to retain the donor vehicle's registration number. Effectively the only thing that was changed from an identity point of view was the make and model on the registration documents. Hence you see Z-Cars and kit-cars with old Mini or whatever registration numbers and tax exempt status.

 

If you can prove that this spaceframed Mini was altered and the DVLA (or even DVLC) were correctly informed in the days pre SVA (predecessor of IVA) then they will allow it to carry on with the current identity but if you can't prove it whether it really was altered back then or not then it's counted as new modifications and will need to go through IVA. The level of proof they require is exhaustive and very few people can manage this route even on cars that were legitimately done in the dim and distant past.

 

Once it's gone through IVA it will get an age related plate based on the age of the donor vehicle, if it's a single donor, or the manufacture date of the engine if it's multi-donor (but it won't get historic status and be tax-exempt if you use a pre '74 engine or donor). If you use all new parts (and can prove it) plus up to one major component re-conditioned to "as-new" then you can get a brand new plate as a new vehicle. My advice would be to try and work this to get as old a plate as possible because rightly or wrongly subsequent MOT's will apply the regs for things like emissions based on that date so if you've got an older engine (or a newer one on carbs) it may struggle to get through later emissions rules.

 

DVLA/DVSA - are a useless bunch. They don't understand their own rules and will interpret them differently depending on their mood or what they had for lunch - speak to two different people and you are almost guaranteed to get two different answers (and speak to one of those same people the following week and you are likely to get a third answer). If an answer is going to be critical to your build get it from them in writing. This situation is getting worse as the local offices have gone and you can no-longer speak to them face to face (you can't roll in and confront them with "last week you told me x and now you are saying something different"). The guys in the testing stations are far more helpful if you can get in touch with them (although you still get the odd dictator wannabe who seems to want to make life difficult because they can) - kit-car clubs often have a relationship with them and can sometimes put you in touch with someone who will actually be testing your car and can give advice about the required standards and how to navigate the process.

 

Iain



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Posted 30 April 2015 - 08:35 AM

Indeed,

 

They aren't going to put themselves in the position of having you tell them "But, you said I could". You build it, they inspect it, then there's no argument about what you had in mind - they also get a fee and have a job to justify their existence.






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