95 replies to this topic

[slpj24]

Yes, but what does the iva  test in the UK involve?

 

And in particular, how does the BIVA test differ to the standard IVA test?

 

UPDATE. Belay that, I've found the answers here. -- I think.

 

http://www.nsra.org....ltered-vehicles

Edited by slpj24, 11 October 2016 - 11:57 AM.

[slpj24]

2nd NOVEMBER 2016 11:45PM.

 

Reply to the gov't consultations before it's too late.  https://www.gov.uk/g...storic-interest

 

And for anyone interested enough to care, the FBHVC have just released their 2016 survey results.

 

According to them, the average so called historic vehicle, travels only 1124 miles per year.  View and download the full survey here.

 

If that is the message parliament takes on board, then a mileage limit will likely be imposed, to allow that kind of mileage, and no more. Is anyone here in favour of that?

 

https://www.gov.uk/g...storic-interest

 

2nd November 2016 11:45pm.

[mini-geek]

No where does it say milage will be limited!

You're jumping to conclusions

[Quincy Sparks]

No where does it say milage will be limited!

You're jumping to conclusions

Maybe I'm reading a different document? Page 10

 

 

7. 1.8  The Directive also refers to VHIs as being ‘hardly used on public roads’, and we wish to consider whether we should restrict the annual mileage for VHIs exempted from testing. Many insurers include a mileage limit in policies for VHIs as a way of reducing premiums. 

Page 15

 

        Q11: Do you agree that an annual mileage limit should be imposed on VHIs exempted from testing? If yes, what annual mileage limit should be imposed? 

 

[Archived2]

I emailed a detailed proposal to them. No reply... not even a confirmation!

[slpj24]

Quite a few people have asked me and others,  ----- "How would they check your miles if not testing the car??" ------.

 

Well here's another answer.

All cars must have tracking devices to cut road deaths, says EU

 

http://www.telegraph...hs-says-EU.html

 

Yup, a compulsory tracker installed in your car. Not likely? Really?

 

Telematics are here already, and are working well. And from 2018, ALL new cars will have sophisticated trackers fitted. Plus, the insurance industry is gearing up to make it a condition of the policy, that ALL drivers must have a tracker in their car, irrespective of the age of the car. Supposedly, you'll be able to opt out, BUT premiums are expected to be punative if you do. Now add in the mot exemption, and a mileage limit from HMG, and hey-presto, that's how they will check your annual mileage. It will be a condition of your insurance policy, that if you are exempt from mot, either you pay prohibitive premiums, or you fit a tracker to make sure you obey the mileage limit, or you take the car OFF THE ROAD.

 

We may not like the gov't, or the way they go about things, but they aren't always as daft as people give them credit for. There may be bugs in the system, there will no doubt be mess-ups and errors, and no doubt it won't work as smoothly as planned, but make no mistake about it, if we aren't very careful, it's going to happen.

 

They have been planning this for a long time, and if enough people don't believe it's potential to happen, and thereby fail to respond to the consultations, then it WILL HAPPEN.

 

Deadline to object is 2nd November 2016 11:45pm. ------------

 

https://www.gov.uk/g...storic-interest

 

 

 

 

 

 

[elf66]

How would a tracker work with recording mileage if historic vehicles are moved to events on a trailer. It would show some massive inconsistencies in mileage relative to location?

[paulrockliffe]

I think there might be a bit of a misunderstanding going on here.  My car is classed as a "Historic Vehicle" on the V5C for the Taxation class, but these proposals talk about something else, the "Vehicle of Historic Interest".  Does this exist already, or is a new thing?  

 

I can't see anything in the proposals that's definitive on whether VHI would be compulsory, automatic changes to taxation class aren't the same thing though. 

 

I can't imagine it's possible to fit a vehicle tracking device to a classic car such that it can't easily be removed though, without embedding it in an ECU it'll be trivial to remove.  VHIs won't have ECUs and in the future when they do, no one is going to reproduce them to include the tracker and force you to use them.

[robminibcy]

I cant personally see how trackers can be enforced, there are so many variables in cars and potentials for tampering or simply failure that I cant see how they can enforce them or use them in anyway towards legal proceedings. Even now insurance policies that use trackers cause issues. I know personally of someone who took the car to a garage for work to be done who then sped and cause alerts to be raised by the tracker which then took months to prove it was not the policy holder at the wheel at the time. A similar situation happened when a friends dad borrowed the car (which would have been driven using another cars policy). If they want to start using this type of insurance it needs to be changed to insuring a person to drive any car rather than insuring each vehicle.

[slpj24]

Are those people who doubt this is anything to worry about, going to take the risk?

 

As I said before, you have NOTHING to lose by taking this threat seriously, and going to the gov't website, and completing the survey. You can call call me a scaremongering idiot, and I hope I am for that matter.

 

I am after all, simply a 2 classic car owning individual, who if mileage limits are imposed, will not only lose enjoyment, but will likely lose money too, because classic cars will be worth less if they can't be used freely. i will also have to dispose of at least one of them, because I need to do in excess of 7000 miles a year. Even a 3000 mile a year limit, will mean I need to buy a modern car, and I don't have the room to keep a modern plus my old cars.

 

If I can't use my old cars, they will deteriorate, hence I'll have to get rid of them, along with everybody else in the same position. And we'll all see the values go down as the market is awash with unwanted classic cars.

 

Call me me a fool, but how about the FBHVC? http://www.fbhvc.co.uk/ Are they fools too, for taking this seriously enough to spend large sums of money on legal advice, to enable them to fight these proposals?

 

Believe as much as you like that mileage limits can't be enforced. But can you prove that?

 

Please, suspend you're scepticism, and respond to the gov't survey, before it's too late. Like I said, what have you got to lose?

 

by the way, as well as completing the online survey, I also emailed my answers to the questiions  to [email protected]

Edited by slpj24, 26 October 2016 - 03:17 PM.

[mini-geek]

You may have nothing to look loose but worrying about some that isn't going to happen.. You may loose your sanity..

Really this is getting out of hand there is zero proof this will happen you're just scaremongering.. It's things like this that caused people to vote leave..

[slpj24]

With great respect, Mini Geek, you are choosing to ignore the evidence. There is plenty of evidence that demonstrates exactly what is planned. All you have to do is to look up and read it. If you are representative of how most people think, and I sincerely hope you are not, then the gov't will do whatever it wants, because it will believe, perhaps rightly,  that most people don't really care too much.

 

Again I ask, are the FBHVC fools and scaremongering too, when they say, and I quote, -----

 

"To clarify a few things:
-we do not wish to see a mileage restriction put in place
-we wish for hot rods and the like to continue being used on the roads, ideally on the same basis as 'original' vehicles, and last year we showed a dossier of a variety of modified vehicles to senior DfT people, in addition to making the justification for modern brakes, updated suspension, synchromesh etc.
-the original proposal several years ago was to exempt pre 1920 vehicles. This morphed to a pre-1960 decision, as is well known."

 

The FBHVC are willing to spend money on lawyers to fight these proposals, are they really just scaremongering?

 

As for getting out of hand, it certainly will have done, if we end up subject to mileage restrictions, because people couldn't be bothered to respond, or were put off responding, because others convinced them that there is nothing to worry about.

 

As the FBHVC said, "the original proposal several years ago was to exempt pre 1920 vehicles. This morphed to a pre-1960 decision, as is well known."

 

And now the gov't is consulting on an extention to that, PLUS the addition of an accompanying mileage limit for mot exempt vehicles.

 

If you don't care, don't respond to the survey.

 

If you do care, you have until 2nd November 2016 11:45pm.

https://www.gov.uk/g...storic-interest

 

 

 

 

 

 

[DomCr250]

The other matter to consider is will the 'powers that be' actually take any notice of the feedback given?  

 

Feedback is good, but if they want to make the changes they will still just do it anyway - unfortunately we live in a democracy where these types of decisions are made in Whitehall by un-elected civil servants, sometimes with little or no regard to facts or feelings.

 

If you cannot even get an auto-reply from the feedback you have sent in whats the chance they are going to actually read it?

 

Sorry to be so negative, but we have seen this before so many times ...more of an exercise of 'proving they listen' than actually implementing peoples views.

[Archived2]

They never listen. We're given a say just to keep us calm and compliant... a venue to exhaust our frustrations.

They do as they please and pretty much ignore us. Organisations like ACE and other lobbying groups have some power but the plebs in the street have no say in the outcome. None.

Proposals are just that... you need to wait until draft papers are ready and get the facts before contesting anything else you're wasting even more of your time.

[slpj24]

I really do understand your sentiments, we all know what successive Gov'ts are like. But I can't agree that it's a waste of time responding to the consultations.

 

If you give up before the event, you definitely have no chance. But if you at least try, however small, you have a chance to influence the outcome.

 

If so small a number of people respond, because all the others who wil be affected are defeatest at the outset, then I agree, we'll get whatever the gov't decide.

 

But if enough people, do choose to 'waste' a little time, -- it's only a very small effort and a small amount of time after all -- then the outcome could be very different.

 

And I regret to tell you, these are not simply proposals. You won't get another chance to have your say.

 

This is from the PDF.

JOHN HAYES MP
Minister of State for Transport

"Responses to this consultation will help inform our final proposals before
we make changes to domestic legislation. It will also assist us in refining
the assessment of the impacts. I encourage you to reflect on the
proposals set out here and to respond to the consultations questions in
full."

 

They have selected a preferred option, and wish to add to that, mileage restrictions. We are going to be told the results and final decision circa 3 months after these consultations close. After that, it will be too late to do anything about it.

 

If you don't have your say now, you won't get another one later.

 

Deadline to respond. 2nd November 2016 11:45pm

Edited by slpj24, 28 October 2016 - 09:04 AM.