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[stef]

hello everyone. had my car in the garage for various bits and to fix the indicators and hazards. the indicators wouldnt work when indicating right, but didnt left, and my hazards screwed completely. the garage fixed it all, but its playing up again now, which isnt their fault of course, its better than it was. sometimes both indicators work now!

anywho. falsher units have been replaced, hazard switch, earths checked.

the problem is intermittent, sometimes they both work sometimes only the left one works. the hazards work but flash randomly now, quite fast.

now, if it was a crappy earth on one light, surely the hazards would not work all the time?

as far as i can tell from the wiring diagram in haynes, the hazard switch is linked in to where the switch for the indicators is. jumping the connections on the back of the hazard switch proves no change.

i struggle to see how it could be wiring when it was all fine and dandy before, then suddenly went wrong. and how it sometimes works absolutely fine.

if the hazard switch is linked in past the indicator switch, and all the lights work when the hazards are on, this must mean that all the wiring past the hazard switch is fine?

and the only thing before that in the circuit is the actual stalk itself on the column, and the wiring leading off that.

should i reaplce my controls on the steering column and see if that fixes it? or if anyone has any other ideas?

sorry for the confusing post.

[ed4ran]

What year is it?
If it has inline fuses check them as the plastic housings can seperate or just a dodgy connection between the fuse and connectors.

[stef]

its an 89. has inline fuses. checked em and seem ok, but surely the indicators arent run off this anyway, plus if it was the fuse the both sides wouldnt work?

[ginger_monkey]

Had trouble with things like this. I was dodgy connections all round. Fuse box was the main one where terminals had corroded and just about every inline crimp too. Gave it a jiggle (technical term that) and it works. The thing i found is that due to the corrosion they would work now and again, if you go over a bump it would mess them up for a few days then they would come back. Hope this helps at all

its an 89. has inline fuses. checked em and seem ok, but surely the indicators arent run off this anyway, plus if it was the fuse the both sides wouldnt work?

Not 100% bout this but some have inline connections for each side. maybe

[stef]

i can totally understand the point about fuses. i will check and replace them all i guess. but i still dont see how it would cause only one side to stop working?

Not 100% bout this but some have inline connections for each side. maybe

well ive got the four fuse box which does indicators on the first fuse, and an inline behing the airbox which does the hazards?

[ginger_monkey]

Again I'm not too sure as my little baby had her wires messed around with good and proper before I got her. Nightmare trying to follow the haynes. I know when I was messing about with the side repeaters I blew a glass bulb by my carb/airbox area and then it was a case of mess round with the inline fuse holder till it got a good connection again. Don't like those inline ones anyway. I have a four fuse block too. Got a new one at the riv run and crimped new connectors onto the wires going onto the fuse box and all my other probs were solved.

Edited by ginger_monkey, 02 October 2006 - 11:45 PM.

[Gizzum]

Stef,

If the only thing that is still in the loop now is the stalk, then this could be your problem. My main beam and down wipe doesn't work on mine but after taking it out and having a play I found that the metal connections needed a bit of a tweak to give them a bit more spring. The stalks work by forcing a thin metal strip with a blob of carbon on the end on to another thin peice of metal with a blob of carbon on the end (hope this makes some sort of sense). When i took mine off to have a look I found loads of fluff and C**p coated the connections. A quick wipe with a bit of emery cloth on the blobs to give a clean connection and a bit of a bend with some long nose pliers sorted mine out.

Have a go

You never know!?

Hope this helps.

[Bounce]

try cleaning the contacts on the stalk before you buy a new one

[stef]

well i'm assuming its the only thing it could be.

can anyone verify that if all hazards work it cant be any connections after where the hazards join in? makes sense to me...

did electronics at school but building something that automatically grows a plant with auto lighting, water, temp, humidity etc was a lot easier than a bloody mini.

thanks a lot for the advice of cleaning the switch, it could just be that. i take the whole lot off yes? and undo the connector at the bottom of the steering cloumn? looks a bit hard to get to from undrneath.

stef

[taffy1967]

Well you could just fit a genuine new hazard warning light flasher unit and this is the correct lucas one:-



And it's available new from here:-

Mini Sport Flasher Unit - Lucas

I'm told there is also a simple test you can do with the hazard flasher. Take the flasher out, and link the 2 connections it plugs in to with a piece of wire. Then turn the hazard switch on. If the hazards light up then the flasher is faulty, if not then the problem is probably elsewhere?

Oh and check the Hazard Warning Light Flasher Unit holder, because the wires behind it can get corroded and cause havoc too.

Here's a list of all the fuses and in-line fuses which may help:-

1: 1-2 35amp Brake Lights, Reverse Lights, Direction Indicators & Rear Screen Demister.

2: 3-4 25amp Horn, Headlamp Flasher, Brake Failure Circuit & Radio Memory.

3: 5-6 25amp Heated Blower Motor, Windscreen Wipers, Washer Motor & Instruments.

4: 7-8 15amp Side & Tail Lights, Panel Lights & Instruments.


The circuits covered by fuse 1 only operate with the ignition switch at position “II”.

The circuits covered by fuse 3 only operate with the ignition switch at position “I” or “II”.


The following fuses are in-line Fuses situated behind the air-filter on the bulkhead:-

15amp - Purple/Orange Wire Hazard Warning & Interior Lamps

15amp - Brown/Orange Wire Dim-Dip Lighting

10amp - Blue/Orange Wire Rear Fog Guard Lamps

15amp - Blue/Red Wire Auxiliary Cooling Fan (where fitted)

[Bounce]

take the stering coloum cowling off and you should be able to see how to get it off then, not dont it myself yet


I work on Harrier GR7/9 electrics, give me a weapons/autopilot/undercarriage system and ill have it fixed in a couple of hours.

But minis! they are so tempermental!

Edited by Bounce, 04 October 2006 - 11:17 AM.

[stef]

well took apart my stalk today. didnt know there would be springs popping out at me when i opened it, which was fun trying to figure out what goes where. finally got it all back together though. the connections based on a roller being pushed over the connections depending on which whay you push the stalk.

i noticed that one connection (to indicate right) was able to be pushed in and out of its housing, therefore i thought this was the problem because it wasnt connecting properly.

so after putting it back together, with the bits in the wrong place, i took it all apart again and finally fixed it all.

and it worked!

of course 5 seconds later it stopped working again.

so im now guessing its not the stalk either. so i dont have a clue what to do next. sometimes it works sometimes it doesnt. i looked at the connection block at the bottom of the steering column, and that seemd ok. its strange how some connections on the block are silver and some gold?

at least i need to buy a genuine flasher unit, mine flashes really fast and then slow lol. so my hazards will be fine, just the indicators to sort.

as a side note, i tried taking out the indicator flasher, and jumping the connections. indicate left and the left ones all came on (no flashing of course), indicate right and they all came on, but then blew the fuse in the fuse block, only had one spare so havent tried it again lol. if that helps...

stef

Edited by stef, 04 October 2006 - 11:24 PM.

[taffy1967]

Well i'd buy a genuine indicator flasher unit just to be on the safe side and I imagine Mini Sport could supply that at the same time too?

Or you could try Moss:-

Moss Europe Link

Edited by taffy1967, 05 October 2006 - 07:03 PM.

[tino]

Ive got a similar problem, Apart from my hazards don't work at all an if they are switched on the indicators don't work although they are being tempremental atm as well as they sometime's work an sometimes dont an at different speeds all the time. If I find a fix il let you know......