Nice to see another rally Clubman joining the fray. Whether it's an original GT or not.....who gives a stuff right? And I really like your last paragraph.....
"... if I do something well, tell me, if I could do something a better way, a simpler way or I’ve overlooked something, tell me and if I’m doing something completely stupid tell me before it comes back to bite me."
Brilliant attitude to have and I salute you for being open to folks being critical (all be it in a nice way hopefully!), although on the whole, the small rally and motorsport community on here I've always found to be super supportive and helpful.
Keep the updates coming as it might give me the inspiration to crack on with mine....i'm assuming you are looking at the Minisport Cup as target events to compete on?
All the best, Dave
Cheers Dave, I might have a few good ideas of my own, but it’s pointless completely reinventing the wheel so I’m happy to learn from those who have done it before, or tried different things.
There were a few ups and downs, reading your build and it triggered a memory, I had a look round your car at the start of The Garstang memorial rally that you drowned it in a ford several years ago! I was absolutely gutted for you when you put pictures of the accident that killed off the car after so much work. But then quite excited when it looked like you were going to be heading in the same direction I was. I hope I can motivate you to get back into your build, because no doubt at some point I am going need some motivation to keep pushing forward and if at this point I can see someone going through the same thing it will be a big help!!!
Did you ever make a descision on what you were going to do about a roll cage or at least a shortlist? I have a few thoughts but would be interested to hear yours before I possibly bias it with my thoughts.
The minisport cup is definitely something I’d like to do, one make championship and all that, a chance to go over to Belgium, so initially that’s what I’ll be targeting event and car set up wise.
Hi Simon. Yeah, that years GP Memorial was a baptism of fire for us as our first nat b event and having a tyre delaminate on the way up to the rally....to then get rather wet was the icing on the cake really.....i'll never forget going down the track after the ford (after being bump started by the species) and feeling the water inside the car slosh from side to side.....ha ha ha But...the main thing is we finished and got a result.
As for cage......in short, I have still yet to decide as i'm still weighing up options. There are so many horror stories on various social media pages of badly fitted cages that I don't want to make a huge mistake by going with the wrong fabricator and ending up with a pile of scrap because the car doesn't conform to rule x, y or z.
I to want the car to be compliant with events on the continent and Belgium in particular seeing as it seems a very popular destination for Brits rallying. Ireland is also a place I might visit along with the Isle of Man for sure. So does this mean I "NEED" a homologated cage? or does it just mean it needs to conform to Blue Book regs by the letter, get the MUK logbook and Historic passport and happy days we go rallying?
I think from my research a "Homologated cage" essentially means if the rules change in the future, any extra bars or design changes are essentially not needing to be done to your car because the cage it has, has passed it's 'test' (if you will) for that period, so is safe to use until such time that they ban internal combustion engines.....which is why Safety devices still sell their 6 point bolt in cage with the smaller diameter roll over hoop compared to what is specced now.
Where a "fabricated by the bloke down the road" cage is different is that yes it can be used and will pass all the scrutiny you can throw at it if build to the blue book rules, but it is not immune from any future rule changes....I THINK????? And another way this type of cage can vary is in the material......A Custom Cages t45 cage is a lighter cage because it's made from a thinner gauge tube because their design has been tested at places like MIRA and still meets FIA and MUK yield and deformation tests.....what I don't think "the bloke down the street " can do, is use this same thin wall t45 tubing as a scrute will measure the tubing wall thickness during the logbooking and it'll come up short because the cage won't have the certificate like a CC or SD cage would have (although SD don't do a thin wall weld in t45 cage for a mini at least).
So I think where my research stopped and the budget dried up was that I have a few options.......buy a Custom Cages T45 cage and get it installed....and seeing as the best (or at least most well known) dude in the country for this is Endaf Owens, it would probably involve a trip to see him and a very large wad of cash. I've not researched how much this would actually cost, but seeing as he is the go to guy for the Appendix K Goodwood mini brigade, I doubt he'll be cheap. But, i'm not necessarily looking for cheap, i'm looking for quality and a cage that will actually add value and provenance to my build should the future throw a spanner in the works and I'm required to sell the car. So that's the light weight, FIA homologated option.
Then there is my equivalent to "the bloke down the road" who is actually an amazing fabricator. He's quoted me strong money for a cage (which is why I do need to get a price from Endaf Owens to compare) but I don't think we can have him build a T45 cage with a "light weight" tubing and still pass the regs. This I definitely need to check though. So with him I may be forced to use the 'standard' but heavier CDS tubing.....but I can tweak the design to suit me but still obviously stay within the Blue Book rules.
Then there are the bolt ins......not overly keen as they don't give much flexibility and are heavier. I do have a 6 point SD version that I can use, but with a build as special as I hope this one to be, I kind of want to start off with the best cage I can afford if my plan is to go stage rallying and a second hand SD cage isn't that.
I'm all ears with regards to any research you have done though because i'm still no further along really....and annoyingly! ha ha