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#16 r.tec

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Posted 04 January 2021 - 06:43 PM

.... Let's be honest here, customs don't check many things that come into a country and the likelihood is, you won't have to pay your countries VAT on a majority of things you import, saving you money on most things you import from the UK (that's certainly how it's worked here for years anyway, we seem to pay customs on around 1 in 10 parcels we import from non-EU countries).

Wrong!, UK goods that arrive here in Germany up to €22,- nothing happens. >€22,- will arrive at the customs office (for me a tour of 2x50kms, shelf fee €5,- with >10 days) where the 19% German VAT will be paid. You can have it send by post for an additional €28,50 for the service. Then you have to pay the postman, but of course you will be at home when the parcel arrives or you must drive to the post office where the parcel is shelved but earliest the next day. Additional cost and time spent. Above €150,- worth of delivery there might be additional cost. It is a state like before 1973 with the difference that there were many more customs' offices here in this country with the next being only 10kms away. I will reduce my orders with UK companies to the absolute necessary in future, it has become utmost inconvenient.


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Posted 04 January 2021 - 07:54 PM

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Posted 04 January 2021 - 09:11 PM

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#19 Benoit_Dupont

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Posted 05 January 2021 - 08:48 AM

 

 

The UK info is saying that up to 150 ish you need to charge and collect the VAT. If you would be charging it as normal. If you are not VAT registered I guess it would be business as normal but the UK customer might get hit with VAT. 

Don’t forget to fill the correct forms in.

 

forms are no issues. I was already filling in CN23 anyway for UK, just in case during the transition period. I was also under the impression that there was a threshold. but according to the local officers: there is none. it looks like we don't have to collect british VAT at this stage. if it changes, sure we will put that in place. 



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Posted 05 January 2021 - 08:59 AM

 

Wrong!, UK goods that arrive here in Germany up to €22,- nothing happens. >€22,- will arrive at the customs office (for me a tour of 2x50kms, shelf fee €5,- with >10 days) where the 19% German VAT will be paid. You can have it send by post for an additional €28,50 for the service. Then you have to pay the postman, but of course you will be at home when the parcel arrives or you must drive to the post office where the parcel is shelved but earliest the next day. Additional cost and time spent. Above €150,- worth of delivery there might be additional cost. It is a state like before 1973 with the difference that there were many more customs' offices here in this country with the next being only 10kms away. I will reduce my orders with UK companies to the absolute necessary in future, it has become utmost inconvenient.

 

 

Hi, I'm with you on this one. there are 2 different things here to consider:

Tariffs

and VAT.

 

those are 2 different mechanisms, one is custom, the other one is fiscal:

 

if you buy goods from outside (being in UK or in EU), there is a little chance to avoid Tariffs on small goods because it's just not worth it for the officers to enforce it, unless they have free time on their hand and it also depends on the country policies.

 

VAT on the other hand may come immediately as you mentioned, or much later but is always due inside your country of residence with the exception to my knowlegde of micro-company operating within the EU.

 

I know some companies are shutting down operations in UK right now. The amount of "paperwork" depends a bit I think on the type of companies and what they sell. for our side, it looks like it's bearable.



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Posted 05 January 2021 - 11:05 AM

 

 

 

The UK info is saying that up to 150 ish you need to charge and collect the VAT. If you would be charging it as normal. If you are not VAT registered I guess it would be business as normal but the UK customer might get hit with VAT. 

Don’t forget to fill the correct forms in.

 

forms are no issues. I was already filling in CN23 anyway for UK, just in case during the transition period. I was also under the impression that there was a threshold. but according to the local officers: there is none. it looks like we don't have to collect british VAT at this stage. if it changes, sure we will put that in place. 

 

Looks like it will cost you £1000 a year to register with HMRC.

 

basically what the rule is saying to EVERY company that makes sales of less than 150€ Should register with HMRC which I guess is your range. Orders over that value don’t need it and the vat will be charged at the receiving point (as it has been for the last X years).

 

anyway good luck and I hope you don’t get many shipments back. Oh and don’t forget to up your UK shipping costs. Looks like an extra £5 in most cases.



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Posted 05 January 2021 - 02:19 PM

 

.... Let's be honest here, customs don't check many things that come into a country and the likelihood is, you won't have to pay your countries VAT on a majority of things you import, saving you money on most things you import from the UK (that's certainly how it's worked here for years anyway, we seem to pay customs on around 1 in 10 parcels we import from non-EU countries).

Wrong!, UK goods that arrive here in Germany up to €22,- nothing happens. >€22,- will arrive at the customs office (for me a tour of 2x50kms, shelf fee €5,- with >10 days) where the 19% German VAT will be paid. You can have it send by post for an additional €28,50 for the service. Then you have to pay the postman, but of course you will be at home when the parcel arrives or you must drive to the post office where the parcel is shelved but earliest the next day. Additional cost and time spent. Above €150,- worth of delivery there might be additional cost. It is a state like before 1973 with the difference that there were many more customs' offices here in this country with the next being only 10kms away. I will reduce my orders with UK companies to the absolute necessary in future, it has become utmost inconvenient.

 

 

Oh ok, fair enough.

 

Hats off to Germany for implementing a system and process to check every parcel that comes into the country - that is truly remarkable. It's estimated that we (the UK) check around 15% of parcels at customs, I couldn't believe it when I heard that on the news. But then when I thought about it, it made sense. As I previously mentioned, we only seem to pay customs duty/import tax on around 1 in 10 parcels that we import from non-EU countries (namely the USA and/or Asia).


Edited by roberts, 05 January 2021 - 02:20 PM.


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Posted 05 January 2021 - 03:17 PM

 

 

 

 

The UK info is saying that up to 150 ish you need to charge and collect the VAT. If you would be charging it as normal. If you are not VAT registered I guess it would be business as normal but the UK customer might get hit with VAT. 

Don’t forget to fill the correct forms in.

 

forms are no issues. I was already filling in CN23 anyway for UK, just in case during the transition period. I was also under the impression that there was a threshold. but according to the local officers: there is none. it looks like we don't have to collect british VAT at this stage. if it changes, sure we will put that in place. 

 

Looks like it will cost you £1000 a year to register with HMRC.

 

basically what the rule is saying to EVERY company that makes sales of less than 150€ Should register with HMRC which I guess is your range. Orders over that value don’t need it and the vat will be charged at the receiving point (as it has been for the last X years).

 

anyway good luck and I hope you don’t get many shipments back. Oh and don’t forget to up your UK shipping costs. Looks like an extra £5 in most cases.

 

 Business opportunity? Anyone fancy setting up an umbrella company to handle EU-UK sales for small volume traders?



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Posted 05 January 2021 - 03:41 PM

 

 

 

 

 

The UK info is saying that up to 150 ish you need to charge and collect the VAT. If you would be charging it as normal. If you are not VAT registered I guess it would be business as normal but the UK customer might get hit with VAT. 

Don’t forget to fill the correct forms in.

 

forms are no issues. I was already filling in CN23 anyway for UK, just in case during the transition period. I was also under the impression that there was a threshold. but according to the local officers: there is none. it looks like we don't have to collect british VAT at this stage. if it changes, sure we will put that in place. 

 

Looks like it will cost you £1000 a year to register with HMRC.

 

basically what the rule is saying to EVERY company that makes sales of less than 150€ Should register with HMRC which I guess is your range. Orders over that value don’t need it and the vat will be charged at the receiving point (as it has been for the last X years).

 

anyway good luck and I hope you don’t get many shipments back. Oh and don’t forget to up your UK shipping costs. Looks like an extra £5 in most cases.

 

 Business opportunity? Anyone fancy setting up an umbrella company to handle EU-UK sales for small volume traders?

 

 

..with offices in Dublin & Belfast maybe..



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Posted 06 January 2021 - 12:43 AM

....Amazon are way ahead of us, I should've realised earlier



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Posted 06 January 2021 - 09:45 AM

I'll check again here today with local custom authorities and come back to you with some more information.

 

turns out the custom authorities still have some things to sort out to give us the right answer. in the meantime, I'm disabling shipment to the UK. I'm very sorry about this situation and hopefully will be able to resume business with our friends from UK soon.

 

sorry for that. 


Edited by Benoit_Dupont, 06 January 2021 - 10:21 AM.


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Posted 12 January 2021 - 01:03 PM


roberts said: So to sum it up, treat the UK like you treat America or Switzerland, simple.
Whilst we are on the subject...

I was massively against Brexit (if it's not broken, don't fix it was my argument), but I have to say I was completely wrong. Brexit looks like it's going to be brilliant for us (the UK) 
and absolutely no different for anyone else. If you are in the EU, apart from filling in an extra form to send something to the UK it would appear that everything else is a bonus - 
especially considering you will likely save money on goods from the UK. Let's be honest here, customs don't check many things that come into a country and the likelihood is, 
you won't have to pay your countries VAT on a majority of things you import, saving you money on most things you import from the UK (that's certainly how it's worked here 
for years anyway, we seem to pay customs on around 1 in 10 parcels we import from non-EU countries).

As r.tec explained there is a massive impact, in particular in time of delivery, the fuss with paying VAT yourself, paying tariffs on orders over 150€ and having to pick-up the parcel somewhere far or pay extra to have it delivered.

 

 

 

.... Let's be honest here, customs don't check many things that come into a country and the likelihood is, you won't have to pay your countries VAT on a majority of things you import, saving you money on most things you import from the UK (that's certainly how it's worked here for years anyway, we seem to pay customs on around 1 in 10 parcels we import from non-EU countries).

Wrong!, UK goods that arrive here in Germany up to €22,- nothing happens. >€22,- will arrive at the customs office (for me a tour of 2x50kms, shelf fee €5,- with >10 days) where the 19% German VAT will be paid. You can have it send by post for an additional €28,50 for the service. Then you have to pay the postman, but of course you will be at home when the parcel arrives or you must drive to the post office where the parcel is shelved but earliest the next day. Additional cost and time spent. Above €150,- worth of delivery there might be additional cost. It is a state like before 1973 with the difference that there were many more customs' offices here in this country with the next being only 10kms away. I will reduce my orders with UK companies to the absolute necessary in future, it has become utmost inconvenient.

 

 

I second that - much of the convenience has disappeared with the Brits leaving. I myself will, where possible, now try to get my parts within the EU. This tariff and prove of payment sending is too much hassle for me lazy bastard

 

I'll check again here today with local custom authorities and come back to you with some more information.

 

turns out the custom authorities still have some things to sort out to give us the right answer. in the meantime, I'm disabling shipment to the UK. I'm very sorry about this situation and hopefully will be able to resume business with our friends from UK soon.

 

sorry for that. 

 

I think your business form (micro business) is not well chosen for abroad business. We in Austria have the same small business category, where you don't offset your purchase tax / VAT with your fiscal authorities, right? This busness model is rather for businesses dealing locally I suppose.


Edited by MiNiKiN, 12 January 2021 - 01:10 PM.


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Posted 14 January 2021 - 01:24 PM

 

 

 

It's not the ideal business type, but that's what I'm working with at the moment, so it'll have to do. :)

 

got the final say from the europeans:

 

IF you have an online business in EU, selling to UK private customers (not companies, it's a different story), you must collect VAT on behalf of her Majesty regardless the amount - which simplifies actually the things.

 

Now I just have to be sure I won't pay taxes in France on the UK VAT which would be just terrible. 



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Posted 14 January 2021 - 02:55 PM

 

 

 

 

It's not the ideal business type, but that's what I'm working with at the moment, so it'll have to do. :)

 

got the final say from the europeans:

 

IF you have an online business in EU, selling to UK private customers (not companies, it's a different story), you must collect VAT on behalf of her Majesty regardless the amount - which simplifies actually the things.

 

Now I just have to be sure I won't pay taxes in France on the UK VAT which would be just terrible. 

 

Now take note of the exchange rates when you collect and pay as you don’t want to be loosing out there as well. 
 

by the way there is a few months wait for registration with HMRC for you to get your VAT number.



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Posted 19 January 2021 - 11:17 AM

Guess who makes the most profit on the new regulations - it's DHL and consorts :!:

The cost of Brexit to the humble EU Mini tinkerer is as follows:

Cost summary of my Minispares order:

  • Parts and shipping net: 259,68 EUR
  • DHL handling fee gross: 18,00 EUR
  • DHL import handling of 12 lines  gross: 42,00 EUR
  • Import duty: 7,62 EUR
  • Import sales tax (20% VAT in Austria): 51,78 EUR

:sneaky: :!: :xxx:
 


Edited by MiNiKiN, 19 January 2021 - 11:22 AM.





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