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#1 unburntfuelinthemorning

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Posted 02 May 2022 - 06:53 AM

I like the point he makes in the article about tax...

 

https://dailysceptic...l-cars-in-2030/

 



#2 IronmanG

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Posted 02 May 2022 - 08:57 AM

Yes I think price per mile should be applied. But I don't do many miles so of course I would👍

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Posted 02 May 2022 - 09:43 AM

So if unfortunately you have a fair commute,live in a rural area etc you may as well give up driving and die now?Price per mile has many drawbacks,no one size fits all solution comes to mind.Public transport?ho ho ho ,Steve..

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Posted 02 May 2022 - 12:14 PM

Aren't you already paying by the mile in fuel duty? Once you've factored in your fuel economy 'n such like.

 

Getting rid of fixed costs is a good idea, makes it easier to choose the best/cheapest option for each journey.



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Posted 02 May 2022 - 01:47 PM

So if unfortunately you have a fair commute,live in a rural area etc you may as well give up driving and die now?Price per mile has many drawbacks,no one size fits all solution comes to mind.Public transport?ho ho ho ,Steve..


Bit extreme.
Absolutely no 1 size fits all. But that's the same in any walk of life. There are winners and losers. And your choices are exactly that. Yours

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Posted 02 May 2022 - 07:05 PM

Anything can and will change by 2030.
This shower of crap that "runs" this and other countries changes its mind when the wind changes.

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Posted 03 May 2022 - 05:42 AM

From the same article:

There are also serious questions about how ‘green’ electric cars actually are. The mining and processing of the rare earth metals used in the batteries is particularly energy intensive. A recent study by Volvo found that the manufacture of electric cars generated much more CO2 emissions than the manufacture of an equivalent petrol car. According to this study, the average motorist in the U.K. would have to drive an electric car for 10 years before it breaks even in its total carbon footprint (manufacture plus driving) with the equivalent petrol car.

 

This is my issue with this 'green' fad.  I wonder how many of the current EVs will be on the road in 10 years?



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Posted 03 May 2022 - 06:05 AM

Read somewhere that Chrysler in america will only support the batteries for five years.Makes for some depreciation.Steve..
The BBC reported that 35% of our electricity currently comes from gas powered power stations!

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Posted 03 May 2022 - 06:37 AM

I heard on Radio 4 (the more reliable science bit) that it'd take the average driver 5 years (in the UK, 3 @ U.S. mileage) to make up the difference in an EV vs an ICE for CO2 production. There was another about pumping lithium out of Cornish tin mines because its ore is water soluble, the Victorians knew about it, but didn't have a use for it. It could also run geothermal heating.

 

Electric motors will have a much longer service life & there are plenty of serviceable bodyshells in the breakers yards now. It'll be interesting to see how we go about recycling EVs:

 

Regenerative braking to low cost wind turbine, anyone? There'll likely be a fair amount of redundant lead knocking about when it's not under car bonnets too. 



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Posted 03 May 2022 - 08:57 AM

Electric cars are not so green as the manufacturing companies would have us beleive. They are more enviromentally unfriendly to make and they contain many more non recyclable products than does a similar petrol or diesel vehicle.
Then there is the limited lifespan of the batteies which will be price prohibitve to replace and will not be recycled.
Then the recharge times are a major issue.
Then the range is a real problem, perhaps not in europe, but in lots of countries where there are major distances between major cities then ther are just not a viable option.
Did I mention that charging an electric vehicle creates unwanted emmisions.
This bull from makers and authorities is reminicent of the Incadescent / CFL / LED lamp debacle.

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Posted 07 May 2022 - 04:16 PM

If electric is the way forward why are manufacturers such as BMW and Mazda still investing in petrol and diesel engine development,maybe they can see electric vehicles can fully take over.

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Posted 07 May 2022 - 10:20 PM

It's interesting that the publicity keeps on stating that no petrol or diesel cars will be allowed to be sold in the UK after 2030.

However, it does not mention registering in the UK new cars bought abroad and brought in as personal imports.



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Posted 07 May 2022 - 11:13 PM

I don't think there's any doubt that petrol & diesel will be a long way off being phased out globally, even if Europe, N. America etc manage to make the switch. So it makes sense to keep developing infernal combustion engines, maybe more so as the primary usage criteria will change. Though local generation should make EVs a better option for remote areas in the long term.

 

I don't see any reason why age related type approval won't apply to imports as it does now. Finding the fuel, especially petrol, is likely to be more critical when the demand has gone, but that'll take an extra decade at least.



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Posted 08 May 2022 - 05:12 AM

Just a side thought, would anyone consider flying transcontinental in an electric aeroplane ?

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Posted 08 May 2022 - 06:16 AM

Could you imagine how long the flight would be,an electric plane would probably be alot slower,people here moan about electric cars and the time it now takes to do a journey planning charging stops,if you can find chargers that work or a match for your car,not sure I could imagine doing a long drive in Australia trying to plan for charging,I remember when I was out there drove Melbourne to Sydney I think it would double the journey if you had to keep charging a car,not to mention the cost.




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