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[roughneckin]

Hi all

Hoping for some folks to help me out. I believe that my hazard switch on my 1972 is shot and need to replace it. Only issue is that my car came with the standard flat connectors and what appears to be a hazard switch from an Austin Healey vs a standard Mini one with the bullet type connectors.
My question. Has anyone directly replaced this item with a newer bullet one and just changed the connectors without issue or should I just jump on eBay and roll the dice on a possible used one that matches my original? I can’t imagine anything is different inside of the switch but the fiddling with changing all the connectors might be a bigger pain than I want to deal with.

Thanks All.

[GraemeC]

Changing the connectors shouldn't be too difficult - find someone willing to give you a Mini plug with a short amount of wire still attached, cut your plugs off leaving some wire attached and then splice the new one onto your loom - this way it can be reversed in the future if necessary.

 

It really comes down to availability of the bits where you are.

[stuart bowes]

I'd probably just make up a few 1 inch lengths of cable with a bullet connector at one and a spade connector at the other end, no permanent change and easy to pull off later if you find the right one to suit your car

[Ethel]

I'd have to check, but I wouldn't be surprised if Canada spec cars had hazards before '76 when we got the later pattern "Delta" rocker switches. So it will have been another Lucas offering.

 

Wonder if you could  persuade the crimp side of a spade terminal to fit a  bullet well enough???

 

Google suggests Lucas 39665 & 30465 are the pin 'n bullet varieties, also used on Triumphs & MGs which might help track down a replacement.

[Itsaminithing]

I can see why they replaced a faulty Mk3 Canadian spec hazard switch with a different part -   fluff me, they are rare!

There is one (reputable) UK company that claims to have some in stock....

https://www.somerfor...port-markets-75

 

As Ethel has pointed out the alternative seems to be to fit something like a Lucas 39665 (though you need to check out for yourself if this a straightforward swap)

https://www.angclass...as-gt6-mkii-iii

 

 

[Ethel]

Yours looks a much better find & incorporates the telltale that it likely needs to be legal & pass the Canuk version of our MoT.

[roughneckin]

I can see why they replaced a faulty Mk3 Canadian spec hazard switch with a different part - fluff me, they are rare!
There is one (reputable) UK company that claims to have some in stock....
https://www.somerfor...port-markets-75

As Ethel has pointed out the alternative seems to be to fit something like a Lucas 39665 (though you need to check out for yourself if this a straightforward swap)
https://www.angclass...as-gt6-mkii-iii

I might give that second one a go seeing as it’s got the right connections and just fiddle around with the wires until they work correctly. This one is at least a 3rd of the cost vs a used one on eBay which may or may not work. I have a chrome bezel that will probably fit right on and sneak into the spot for this.

The MOt is the toughest part of this. It needs to be out of province inspected. Might not mention that the whole thing has been torn down to the frame and rebuilt.

Thanks all for the help.

[Itsaminithing]

Being a Mk3 enthusiast I've always been aware that other parts were fitted to the export spec models but information & pictures of them are almost non-existent.

Not sure if the switch sold by Somerford has a chrome bezel (the switches for UK models were just black plastic) -do your other switches have a chrome bezel? & is your hazard switch meant to be illuminated?

Doesn't help that BLMC used the same part No. for different versions used on other BLMC cars (or indeed later versions of the same item), seen 13H8691 switches for sale & none look the same!

https://www.ebay.co....:Bk9SR77olve2YQ

https://www.ebay.co....tm/304376088507

....also a pain that many vendors list items under the wrong part number!

Edited by Itsaminithing, 16 January 2023 - 12:17 AM.

[roughneckin]

Being a Mk3 enthusiast I've always been aware that other parts were fitted to the export spec models but information & pictures of them are almost non-existent.
Not sure if the switch sold by Somerford has a chrome bezel (the switches for UK models were just black plastic) -do your other switches have a chrome bezel? & is your hazard switch meant to be illuminated?
Doesn't help that BLMC used the same part No. for different Austin Morris cars or later versions of the same item, seen 13H8691 switches for sale & none look the same!
https://www.ebay.co....:Bk9SR77olve2YQ
https://www.ebay.co....m/304376088507

....also a pain that many vendors list the wrong part number!

I have no other ones that have chrome bezels and this one sits off on its own bracket near the drivers door with a brake failure warning light below it. I’m hoping that can just disappear though as I don’t have it and I’ve changed out to a new master cylinder too.

This is what my hazard switch looks like

https://imgur.com/a/p0Et9fh

Now I’ve been looking around even more and mine had 5 inputs but there is plenty with 6 too so it’s a conundrum. I’ll just plug and fiddle and hopefully it will go. I just want it to finally run and pass so I can run it around this summer after 10 years in the making.

[Ethel]

<p>If the switches have 6 terminals it's a pair that connect the indicators when the hazards are off &amp; the remaining 4 are all isolated from each other because 2 would feed in current from the indicators. That is until the hazards are on when all 4 connect together. One for each L&amp;R indicators, one supply from the flasher &amp; one to the telltale light on the dash. If yours only has 7 is it because the telltale is in the switch or one wasn't required?</p>
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<p>I don't think that switch is original eqpt. I could wrong, does it matter more than getting it to fit in the hole&nbsp;<img alt=":-|" class="bbc_emoticon" src="https://www.theminif...ault/mellow.png" title=":-|" />&nbsp;&nbsp;</p>
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<p>https://abingdonspar...hazard-warning1</p>
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[Itsaminithing]

I sometimes think i must be a cross between a Ferret & a Terrier (dog)  -tenacious, good at digging things out, wiry, & able to lick my own.... Mk3 rear view mirror suckers!

 

1972 Canadian Mk3 Minis were required to have a Brake Check Light switch (13H553) & a NON-Illuminated Hazard switch (13H8691).

I'm fairly certain the originals didn't have chrome bezels but as Lucas Mini items got harder to find Canadian owners fitted the similar Lucas MG range chrome bezel ones.

The hazard switch you currently have is a MGB item

https://abingdonspar...hazard-warning1

The Mk3 Mini loom only had 5 wires going to the Hazard Switch (the 6th wire for switch illumination wasn't fitted untill the Mk4 in 1976 when they also changed from spade to pin connectors).

Any non-illuminated (5 or 6 spade connector) Lucas Hazard Switch will do to meet Canadian legal requirements for a '72 Mini.

 

& here's a Canadian Mk3 i found earlier-

https://inventory.ch...ustin-mini-1000

-despite what's claimed the interior isn't totally original....  the original windscreen squirter was black, somethings been screwed over the heater control panel, & the Hazard & Brake switches are MGB items.

 

My work here is done!

Time to disappear & prepare for another spell of hibernation (pausing briefly en-route to stick a Babel fish in my ear - too many TV program announcers with strong regional accents).