29 replies to this topic

[blackbelt1990]

Who’s going to step up and run the replacement run then? 😆

As I live in the Netherlands it can't be me 😇

Too far south for me too 😆

[coopertaz]

surely no one will take it on as they will face the same issues that have killed it off in the first place, unfortunately as drivers of classics we are classed as poluting dinosaurs. sadly the days when we could freely enjoy our hobby are slowly being eroded. wherever you live in uk look at london as it may soon be your area as ulez's spread

[Designer]

As I understand it, leaving ULEZ out of it, the difficulties in running the L to B are getting bigger and bigger and the costs are increasing by quite a margin. The area in Brighton for accommodating all the cars is getting smaller and although the Greens no longer control the council a lot of their proposals are probably still going to go ahead. I am sure there are places near London, outside the ULEZ, that could host the start of a new run but where to, I don't think Brighton would be interested. Would enough Mini owners pay a 50% or more increase in ticket price to make it worth while

Edited by Designer, 03 July 2023 - 12:55 PM.

[Ska car]

Hang on lads n lass', I've got an idea....
Minis of a certain age don't pay ulez charges, right?
How bout classic minis of a certain age vintage do the L2B. Without charge and just for fun. It'll be lower numbers but intimate.

[IronmanG]

Hang on lads n lass', I've got an idea....
Minis of a certain age don't pay ulez charges, right?
How bout classic minis of a certain age vintage do the L2B. Without charge and just for fun. It'll be lower numbers but intimate.

I've been struggling to understand how ulez stops it.
If you own a classic car and can't afford 12 quid you've got the wrong hobby.
I'm cynical. I just think the organisers don't want to go through it all again and have people moan at them about the traffic getting onto madeira drive. I don't blame them for that. But ulez is BS excuse

[mab01uk]

 

To be fair ULEZ is mentioned last on the list of reasons above for L to B ending....maybe it was the final straw?.

These big events often end when the small core of people who organise them decide to finally step down, often after many years.....the Mini Cooper Register has the same problem with their annual Beaulieu Mini event, people don't seem to want to volunteer to take over which is hardly surprising when you see the unpaid work, time, responsibilty, insurances, health & safety, financial risk and general red tape hassle that now comes with organising big public events like this.

Edited by mab01uk, 03 July 2023 - 10:11 PM.

[IronmanG]

To be fair ULEZ is mentioned last on the list of reasons above for L to B ending....maybe it was the final straw?.
These big events often end when the small core of people who organise them decide to finally step down, often after many years.....the Mini Cooper Register has the same problem with their annual Beaulieu Mini event, people don't seem to want to volunteer to take over which is hardly surprising when you see the unpaid work, time, responsibilty, insurances, health & safety, financial risk and general red tape hassle that now comes with organising big public events like this.

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[Shooter63]

Hang on lads n lass', I've got an idea....
Minis of a certain age don't pay ulez charges, right?
How bout classic minis of a certain age vintage do the L2B. Without charge and just for fun. It'll be lower numbers but intimate.

I've been struggling to understand how ulez stops it.
If you own a classic car and can't afford 12 quid you've got the wrong hobby.
I'm cynical. I just think the organisers don't want to go through it all again and have people moan at them about the traffic getting onto madeira drive. I don't blame them for that. But ulez is BS excuse

I think you might have the wrong end of the stick here, as I understand it ULEZ was the final nail, if I've read things correctly, it's the charges for the hire of Maderia Drive which has or is going up quite dramatically. The hire of Maderia Drive was around 10k I believe, if the charges for hiring the drive are in line with the parking bay increases that would put the drive hire up to 30k. There is also talk ( which means it will happen) that the local authorities are planning to install their own ULEZ charge, how much would you be willing to pay for the run £200.00? £300.00?, the committee ( I'm not on it) had to take a hard decision knowing a lot of people really enjoy it every year, the expected loss of income from reduced membership as people leave because the only reason they joined was the guarantee of a ticket.all things to take in consideration.

Shooter

[IronmanG]

Hang on lads n lass', I've got an idea....
Minis of a certain age don't pay ulez charges, right?
How bout classic minis of a certain age vintage do the L2B. Without charge and just for fun. It'll be lower numbers but intimate.

I've been struggling to understand how ulez stops it.
If you own a classic car and can't afford 12 quid you've got the wrong hobby.
I'm cynical. I just think the organisers don't want to go through it all again and have people moan at them about the traffic getting onto madeira drive. I don't blame them for that. But ulez is BS excuse

I think you might have the wrong end of the stick here, as I understand it ULEZ was the final nail, if I've read things correctly, it's the charges for the hire of Maderia Drive which has or is going up quite dramatically. The hire of Maderia Drive was around 10k I believe, if the charges for hiring the drive are in line with the parking bay increases that would put the drive hire up to 30k. There is also talk ( which means it will happen) that the local authorities are planning to install their own ULEZ charge, how much would you be willing to pay for the run £200.00? £300.00?, the committee ( I'm not on it) had to take a hard decision knowing a lot of people really enjoy it every year, the expected loss of income from reduced membership as people leave because the only reason they joined was the guarantee of a ticket.all things to take in consideration.

Shooter

I'm not party to any gossip but I would have to say the greens in Brighton and the cost of madeira drive have to be the sticking point . So just say so. Are the Old Crocks going to stop as well or is there some sort of special treatment?
Just find a stretch of coast with no yellow lines ( if there is any) and arrange a date for a 1000 minis to park there. No cost🤣

[mab01uk]

Reported by the BBC and MailOnline....

 

London to Brighton Mini Run: Classic car event will not go ahead in 2024:-

https://www.bbc.co.u...sussex-66084657

 

London to Brighton Mini Run organisers blame expansion of ULEZ and rising costs as they axe popular car event:-

"Mini Run organisers also cited a lack of parking in Brighton, where the run ends.
A Brighton and Hove City Council spokesperson said they were in contact with the London and Surrey Mini Owners Club to try and save the event.
Council lead for events Alan Robins said: 'We are doing everything we can to save this important event for the city against the backdrop of rising costs for organisers.
'Council officers have today spoken with them to try and find working solutions that can make the event viable going forward.
'We are confident that when the Black Rock development is completed, we'll also be able to increase capacity and space for participants.
'The city's ULEZ only applies to buses in a small area of the city.
'We have so many excellent and historic events taking place in the city every year and we will do everything we can to support them and the economic benefits they bring.'"

https://www.dailymai...-expansion.html

Edited by mab01uk, 07 July 2023 - 05:26 PM.

[Shooter63]

Hang on lads n lass', I've got an idea....
Minis of a certain age don't pay ulez charges, right?
How bout classic minis of a certain age vintage do the L2B. Without charge and just for fun. It'll be lower numbers but intimate.

I've been struggling to understand how ulez stops it.
If you own a classic car and can't afford 12 quid you've got the wrong hobby.
I'm cynical. I just think the organisers don't want to go through it all again and have people moan at them about the traffic getting onto madeira drive. I don't blame them for that. But ulez is BS excuse

I think you might have the wrong end of the stick here, as I understand it ULEZ was the final nail, if I've read things correctly, it's the charges for the hire of Maderia Drive which has or is going up quite dramatically. The hire of Maderia Drive was around 10k I believe, if the charges for hiring the drive are in line with the parking bay increases that would put the drive hire up to 30k. There is also talk ( which means it will happen) that the local authorities are planning to install their own ULEZ charge, how much would you be willing to pay for the run £200.00? £300.00?, the committee ( I'm not on it) had to take a hard decision knowing a lot of people really enjoy it every year, the expected loss of income from reduced membership as people leave because the only reason they joined was the guarantee of a ticket.all things to take in consideration.

Shooter

I'm not party to any gossip but I would have to say the greens in Brighton and the cost of madeira drive have to be the sticking point . So just say so. Are the Old Crocks going to stop as well or is there some sort of special treatment?
Just find a stretch of coast with no yellow lines ( if there is any) and arrange a date for a 1000 minis to park there. No cost

Believe it or not I do know of a place, free parking along the whole front.

Shooter

[mini-mad-mark]

Excuse my ignorance but how did the L2B come about? Was there a high proportion of mini owners in London who wanted a day at the sea side? Why Brighton? OK its a nice place but there are other nice places?

 

Why not make it somewhere else say Reading to Portsmouth (R2P?) - not too way out for the London folk and little difference for those residing outside the capital who choose to partake in the L2B. (Unfortunately. I guess the London owners would still  have to stump up just to get out of London wherever the run went from/to...)

 

As to organisation well, last time I looked it was a (relatively!) free country so nothing to stop people turning up at a convenient starting point (Reading services on the M4?), or is there?

 

Ad in theory nothing to stop people going to Portsmouth at the same time although to get everyone parked in the same place at the destination would be tricky, never tried to organise anything like this personally - must be somewhere in Portsmouth with a large open space that someone could be approached to rent out  (how many minis are we talking , is it a thousand as mentioned above?)

 

I assume the L2B was ticketed to restrict the total number of cars given entry to  Madeira Drive but I also assume there was nothing stopping people following the route and parking in "normal" parking (as in a relatively free country....!)

 

The Riviera run seems to manage OK but I have no idea if that is the same scale/number of cars? Also of course the cars don't all travel at the same time/direction/roads for the RR

 

Maybe I am over simplifying? Also speaking as someone who has never done the L2B so maybe I am missing the point?

[IronmanG]

Hang on lads n lass', I've got an idea....
Minis of a certain age don't pay ulez charges, right?
How bout classic minis of a certain age vintage do the L2B. Without charge and just for fun. It'll be lower numbers but intimate.

I've been struggling to understand how ulez stops it.
If you own a classic car and can't afford 12 quid you've got the wrong hobby.
I'm cynical. I just think the organisers don't want to go through it all again and have people moan at them about the traffic getting onto madeira drive. I don't blame them for that. But ulez is BS excuse

I think you might have the wrong end of the stick here, as I understand it ULEZ was the final nail, if I've read things correctly, it's the charges for the hire of Maderia Drive which has or is going up quite dramatically. The hire of Maderia Drive was around 10k I believe, if the charges for hiring the drive are in line with the parking bay increases that would put the drive hire up to 30k. There is also talk ( which means it will happen) that the local authorities are planning to install their own ULEZ charge, how much would you be willing to pay for the run £200.00? £300.00?, the committee ( I'm not on it) had to take a hard decision knowing a lot of people really enjoy it every year, the expected loss of income from reduced membership as people leave because the only reason they joined was the guarantee of a ticket.all things to take in consideration.

Shooter

I'm not party to any gossip but I would have to say the greens in Brighton and the cost of madeira drive have to be the sticking point . So just say so. Are the Old Crocks going to stop as well or is there some sort of special treatment?
Just find a stretch of coast with no yellow lines ( if there is any) and arrange a date for a 1000 minis to park there. No cost

Believe it or not I do know of a place, free parking along the whole front.

Shooter

Perfect. May 19th 2024.
The Underground Mini Run

[mab01uk]

Excuse my ignorance but how did the L2B come about? Was there a high proportion of mini owners in London who wanted a day at the sea side? Why Brighton? OK its a nice place but there are other nice places?

 

Why not make it somewhere else say Reading to Portsmouth (R2P?) - not too way out for the London folk and little difference for those residing outside the capital who choose to partake in the L2B. (Unfortunately. I guess the London owners would still  have to stump up just to get out of London wherever the run went from/to...)

 

As to organisation well, last time I looked it was a (relatively!) free country so nothing to stop people turning up at a convenient starting point (Reading services on the M4?), or is there?

 

Ad in theory nothing to stop people going to Portsmouth at the same time although to get everyone parked in the same place at the destination would be tricky, never tried to organise anything like this personally - must be somewhere in Portsmouth with a large open space that someone could be approached to rent out  (how many minis are we talking , is it a thousand as mentioned above?)

 

I assume the L2B was ticketed to restrict the total number of cars given entry to  Madeira Drive but I also assume there was nothing stopping people following the route and parking in "normal" parking (as in a relatively free country....!)

 

The Riviera run seems to manage OK but I have no idea if that is the same scale/number of cars? Also of course the cars don't all travel at the same time/direction/roads for the RR

 

Maybe I am over simplifying? Also speaking as someone who has never done the L2B so maybe I am missing the point?

 

I was on the very first London to Brighton Run in 1986 and I remember starting from Battersea Park in London and the finish was at Preston Park in Brighton.

 

LSMOC Quote:
"The first Run was a pretty low-key affair. The LSMOC (London & Surrey Mini Owners Club) was only a small club and there was no easy way to let people know about it. There were no Mini magazines back then and only a dozen other Mini clubs. Battersea Park and Preston Park in Brighton were booked for a nominal fee. The first Run was held up by bikers protesting about being made to wear crash helmets. Once the Minis were parked we managed to count them and there were just over 200 of them. There was little organised at Brighton and people just looked around the cars and chatted about the run. However, it was clear people really enjoyed driving down to Brighton together. The Club certainly didnt realise how important the first Run was, devoting just nine lines to it in the first newsletter after the event."

 

In later years the official Mini run tickets were capped at approx. 2100 cars, many more Minis unofficially did the run but had to find their own parking in Brighton.

 

There were already some 'old' car runs from London to Brighton, the most well known is the annual Veteran London to Brighton Car Run made famous by the 1953 film Genevieve....

 

Edited by mab01uk, 08 July 2023 - 08:30 AM.

[ac427]

Reported by the BBC and MailOnline....

 

London to Brighton Mini Run: Classic car event will not go ahead in 2024:-

https://www.bbc.co.u...sussex-66084657

 

London to Brighton Mini Run organisers blame expansion of ULEZ and rising costs as they axe popular car event:-

"Mini Run organisers also cited a lack of parking in Brighton, where the run ends.
A Brighton and Hove City Council spokesperson said they were in contact with the London and Surrey Mini Owners Club to try and save the event.
Council lead for events Alan Robins said: 'We are doing everything we can to save this important event for the city against the backdrop of rising costs for organisers.
'Council officers have today spoken with them to try and find working solutions that can make the event viable going forward.
'We are confident that when the Black Rock development is completed, we'll also be able to increase capacity and space for participants.
'The city's ULEZ only applies to buses in a small area of the city.
'We have so many excellent and historic events taking place in the city every year and we will do everything we can to support them and the economic benefits they bring.'"

https://www.dailymai...-expansion.html

Hopefully the Brighton and Hove council can help.

 

I'm sure i'm missing something but if the parking area gets reduced in size, just sell less tickets.

 

I'm sure people just went even if they didn't have a ticket and they probably would again.