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[BobbyMax]

So I'm on with the last door, it's getting a new skin but things aren't going according to plan. So far I've removed the old skin, cleaned up the frame and given the inside a spot of primer and a lick of paint but as you can see by the photos things ain't fitting very well, especially when I offer up the skin to the frame.

Can anyone see from the photos where its going wrong or offer any advice on how to get it to fit.

Thanks
Bobby

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[I hate Brian]

Is this the original door ? what panels have you changed on the body ?

Edited by I hate Brian, 02 October 2024 - 05:04 PM.

[sonikk4]

Although it’s not of immediate help, spray some grey or white primer on the edges of the skin to get a better idea of what clearances there actually are.

[68+86auto]

Is it a "Genuine" skin?

[BobbyMax]

Hi all and thanks 4 joining in.Its a Heritage skin And the door is original one from car.

As for the pannels I've changed on this side, Inner, outer wing, and door step.
The wings were both heratage and the outer one had the A-panel allready attached. As for the door step that was magnum as it came with the car in a box of bits.

Edited by BobbyMax, 03 October 2024 - 07:22 AM.

[MiNiKiN]

Hi all and thanks 4 joining in.Its a Heritage skin And the door is original one from car.

As for the pannels I've changed on this side, Inner, outer wing, and door step.
The wings were both heratage and the outer one had the A-panel allready attached. As for the door step that was magnum as it came with the car in a box of bits.

My comment will not be helpful, BUT: you should have involved the door in the process prior to welding in all these panels.
Now you'r up **** creek....
You can try to knock the lower A-panel edge further forward. Needs some skill thoug to not make the panel bulge out. Would have been easier again before welding the bottom A-panel edge.
On the rear you probably need to change the door panel beading (flatten, then re-bend). Have you checked and compared the left to right door aperture dimensions?
Glad I am not in your shoes
 

[BobbyMax]

Lo…l thanks for that Minikin.

I measured the bottom of the gap between the panels on both sides and you are right as it has around a 5mm discrepancy.

I'm toying with taking some materials from the A panel to widen the gap and making good with welding rods.

The problem is I'm not sure how to move the door frame forward as the hinges are hard up against the door pillar…no shims.

Also when I put the skin on will it pull the frame in as it has quite a bit of flex in it at the moment?

Edited by BobbyMax, 03 October 2024 - 02:36 PM.

[BobbyMax]

Although it’s not of immediate help, spray some grey or white primer on the edges of the skin to get a better idea of what clearances there actually are.

[BobbyMax]

Thanks sonikk, good idea will definatly do that.

[BobbyMax]

Is it a "Genuine" skin?

Yes Heritage

[stuart bowes]

I might be seeing it wrong but it looks like the frame part isn't too bad a fit, it's just the door skin is large at the moment because you haven't actually attached it and folded over the edges yet

 

when I compare my skins (heritage as well) to the frame, there is quite a lot of extra length at the bottom of the skin, like I could fold it tighter to the frame by about 10-15mm even.  and that's up far enough to follow the lines of the car, i think

 

short version how much scope is there for just folding a lip over closer to the frame, at each side  ( i say 'just' but obviously not a 5min easy job)

Edited by stuart bowes, 04 October 2024 - 07:24 PM.

[BobbyMax]

Hi Stuart, after looking at it and scratching my head for a few hours I think im off sthe same opinion as you when it comes to folding the skin over more to make it fit.

I thik the bottom will definatly fit if i do that but not sure about the middle at the rear as the whole door need to move forward a few mills.

The only way i can see how to do it without taking a hammer to the A-post is to shave a bit off the front and rear of the hinges.....I dont think that will have any adverse effect on the way the door opens?

If anyone's done this can they please chime in let me know if it worked.

Edited by BobbyMax, 06 October 2024 - 01:18 PM.

[stuart bowes]

I suppose you could convert it to old style external hinges.. but possibly even more work required to make that happen so that's a bit of an extreme solution

[sonikk4]

Trying to fold over the flanges more so than they are pressed already is a pain to do and can cause more issues.

So like I previously mentioned you need to highlight the edge of the skin using grey or white primer. Then offer the skin back up but when doing this you will need to add some additional weight inside the carcass to replicate the glass and regulator. If you do not do this it will further complicate your problem ( been there, done that)

Now we can then take a good look at what is fouling where and try and make corrections to rectify. Now personally once I have the skin sitting as well as can be I would use some decent skin pins or self tappers to hold the skin in place.

Now I would look at manipulating the edges before folding with a decent panel beating hammer and dolly to try and react against. DO NOT go mad here as you could potentially create some rippling to the skin. Patience is the key here, do a little at a time.

[BobbyMax]

I took your advice sonikk and primed the edges (definitely makes things easier to see) I also put the glass and regulator back in as hadn't thought of that although its glaringly obvious 🥴. Anyway, I offered the door back up and as you can see from the photo below......

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.....its a long way out.The primer round the edges made it easier to get the skin into the best position before folding and fixing it permanently.

I offered the door up again after fitting the skin and it was much better and somewhat smaller after folding as you can see from the photo below.


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Anyway that's as far as I got today. I
think the door definitely needs to come forwards 2mm or so, which means i'll be cutting the A-panel down by around 4 to 5mm unless anyone can see a better way to do it?

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Also as the hinges are hard up against the A-post the only thing I can think of at the moment to move the door forwards Is to shave a bit off the front and back of the hinges allowing the door to come forward a bit.

Again if anyone has a better Idea on how to do this please let me know.