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Posted 12 January 2026 - 05:55 AM

Radiators

 

2 or 4 core ?         Aluminium or Copper ?

Cooling System

Radiators are a Heat Exchanger. Heat from the Block and Head are transferred in to the Coolant, which then carries that heat to the Radiator, at which point it then transfers that heat to the Air. Simple enough, though it does involve transferring the heat at various points in the system. The more efficiently that heat transfer can occur, the more efficient the cooling system is overall.

While not the subject of this topic, one place that is so often over looked in this system is how clean the cooling jacket is in the Block and Heat, often they are rusty, which has very poor heat conductivity. The cleaner these are, the better the system can work. Clean and de-scaling the Head and Block are always a good place to start when looking for overheating issues.

I do read and hear often that the cooling systems in these cars are poor or under-rated. From my experience, the stock system has enough capacity for standard engines and even those modified for higher outputs, though perhaps under some limited conditions they maybe marginal.

The quantity of heat put in to the cooling system is around 30% of the total heat made in the engine, it's around the same amount of energy that goes in to driving the wheels. It does need to be kept in mid too that while you may have a cooking 130 HP monster with 20 PSI boost pressure under the bonnet, especially for street cars seldom will you be using all of those horses and when they are called on, the period of time that they'll be unleashed for will only be less than 30 seconds. Most legal driving around the streets in your Mini will only be using around 18 - 20 HP from the engine, adding a factor for starting from dead stops, hills etc, when averaged out, you'd be lucky to be using more than 35 HP or 27 kW. For most Minis, allowing for hot days and a margin, a cooling system rated for 30 - 35 kW should be adequate.

There is a mix of materials using in the standard cooling system, there's Cast Iron as used in the Block and Head, an 'Alloy' of a particular type used in the Thermostat Housing, Rubber which is fairly inert, but does provide both electrical and thermal insulation, an 'Alloy' used in the water pumps, likely similar to that of the Thermostat Housing, Copper & Brass in the Radiator as well as tin, from the solder and often in head gaskets.

The Thermostat Housing it needs to be noted is also a sacrificial anode. That is it scarifies itself (by electrolysis) in order to save the more expensive parts of the cooling system, like the head, block and radiator. Likewise, some water pumps are also sacrificial, but tend to be less so than the Thermostat Housings.

Another factor that needs to be kept in mid too is that the Radiator in these cars is electrically insulated, it is connected to the engine by Rubber Hoses and is mounted using Rubber Grommets. It is said to be 'floating', that is it is not electrically connected to Earth or anything for that matter.

Now on to Radiators.

'Cores' (Tubes)

Automotive Radiators appear to be referred to as having a number or 'cores', it's actually not the correct terminology and nearly all of them have only 1 core, the core being the assembly of the top & bottom plates, the tubes and fins. The slang term 'core' in fact refers to the rows of tubes when viewed from the top or bottom plate, front to back. Most standard Mini Radiators were 3 tube types, though some models for certain territories did receive a 4 tube.

 

Diving in a bit deeper, if look at how a radiator actually transfers heat from the coolant in the tubes (then to the outside air), it's only the coolant that's in contact with the wall of the tube that's going to transfer heat. The coolant that's in the middle of the tube can only transfer it's heat to the adjacent coolant and eventually find it's way to the wall of the tube, where it will eventually be dissipated. At lower coolant speeds, the coolant that's towards the centre of the tube may have some heat dissipated, but then the engines not making much heat at those speeds. At more normal driving speeds, this won't occur. This is why Radiators are made with flat tubes rather than round ones - to keep the cross section of the coolant as thin as possible.

 

With that in mind, if you calculated the surface area of a row of 2 vs 4 tube (core);-

 

     A row of 2 tube  72.5 mm (typical)

     A row of 4 tube  85.2 mm

 

 Further, if you look at the arrangement of the tubes - and this depends on the design of the radiator;-

 

 2 tube;- 

 

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4 tube (factory);- 

 

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You can see that the air passing through the core passes more directly over more tubes in the 4 tube design than the 2 tube. Granted, not all 4 tube are arranged this way ('staggered'), but the factory ones were. Of all the radiators I've tested, the staggered 4 tube have the most notable temperature drop. I've never seen a 2 tube radiator that had staggered arrangement.


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Original Leyland 4 Tube Radiator Core.
Of all the Radiators I've tested, these do give the best cooling.

Aluminium or Copper ?

In regards to Copper vs Aluminium, for starters, Copper has a higher temperature conductivity, almost by a factor of 2, over Aluminium;- 

 

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Further compounding that issue is that a thicker section of Aluminium is needed for the same job over Copper due to it's poor fatigue resistance. The Factory Copper radiators had a wall thickness of 0.008" / 0.20 mm. The thinnest Aluminium type is 0.24 mm, though these have a high tendency to crack, more typical thicknesses are 0.28 to 0.30 mm.
 

Aluminium is a highly reactive material, especially when compared to Copper and Cast Iron, which are rather inert. Because of this high reactivity, the importance of the correct coolant and it's maintenance can't be over-stressed enough. Whilst coolant is always best to use, you can run for a very long time with just demineralised water when running a Copper Radiator, however it won't last too long at all doing this with an Aluminium based one.

Leyland first tried Aluminium Radiators with these engines back in the early 80's on the first Metros, but after about 18 months and the warranty issues they had (even with a 'proper' coolant), they swapped back to Copper. Rover eventually went this way with the MPi, though these used a different grade of Cast Iron in the Blocks, but even then, reading through the Technical Bulletins, they still had issues up to (and likely beyond) five years after they ceased production.

Examples of issues from using dissimilar metals

 

This Thermostat Housing (which as discussed above is normally a sacrificial anode) that's been run on an engine that had an Aluminium Radiator fitted and using the 'recommended' coolant. It had been on there for about 10 years;-

 

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You can see the rust stain but otherwise, it's largely in good condition, no corrosion at all ! So here, the Block and Head have become to sacrificial anode and the thermostat housing will live forever !!

 

Subsequently, the block has been chemically cleaned (but at this point, not with caustic), you can still see the heavy rust in the cooling jacket. The guys tried a few different chemicals and this was the best they could get this one;- 

Before;-

 

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After;-

 

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The cylinder head as found ;-

 

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The Radiator was clean as a whistle, like new, no corrosion and no discolouration. This is all I have I'm sorry, I have lightened it up so you can sorta see inside it to a point;-

 

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If you are contemplating an Aluminium Radiator, I'd suggest you have a long think about why you'd like to fit one after weighing up these matters here.



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Posted 13 January 2026 - 10:28 PM

I've been asked to put up another FAQ on Coolants, which I'll get around to, but it did remind me of another factor to consider with Aluminium Radiators.

 
This is a the inside cover from one of the last Owner's Manuals. It's the MPi model, which as mentioned above, is fitted with an Aluminium Radiator and note that this is a revision (and not the first) regarding Coolant

 

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In particular, they recommend that coolant mix ratios need to be at least 50% (and up to 60%). This was the change that was made to this manual. You can draw several conclusions from that, however without further speculation, it's well proven that from a thermal transmission perspective, water that has been softened is the best coolant. It does have the drawback in that form that it can freeze and has a low boiling point, the latter is not normally an issue though. Softened Water is that which has had the surface tension reduced (or removed), this can be done with washing soda, but there are other ways.

 

Coolants address some issues but also introduce others. They usually reduce the surface tension, lower the freezing point, increase the boiling point, adjust the ph of the coolant, some have various chemicals to reduce corrosion between specific materials, however the baggage they all carry is they reduce the thermal transmission capacity of the coolant (as mixed), i.e. more is not better !!

 

For reference, Thermal Conductivity;-
 

Water                                                                                                        0.61 W/mK
Ethylene Glycol                                                                                         0.39 W/mK
Phosphate and Silicate Organic Acid Technology (Psi-OAT) Coolant       0.38 to 0.42 W/mK

 

Pure Ethylene Glycol and OAT has around 65% the Thermal Transmission capacity of Water.
 

With most coolants a ratio of between 5 and 10% will soften water enough to reduce the surface tension. This will offer the peak thermal transmission capacity. Adding more than this reduces this capacity and in greater ratios over 25%, this reduction becomes quite rapid as can be seen from the above figures.
 

Going back to Rover's recommendations with a coolant mixture ratio of 50 to 60%, this reduces the thermal conductivity of the coolant, as is needed when running an Aluminium radiator, by around 20%, further reducing an Aluminium Radiator's Cooling capacity.






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