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[chocolate jazz]

Ive bin looking at the mini Miglia's for a while now and have noticed a lot of them, if not all of them have antiroll bars. Could some please explain how they work and are they worth fitting to a road/race mini.

cheers again

[*DJH*]

They are very good for keeping you level through the bends, but it's not really necssesary for a road/race mini.

also are you refering to the front or rear?

[chocolate jazz]

Just rear roll bars, hmmm might be intrested in 1 later on

[*DJH*]

Well be warned, they do take up alot of room when you see one in the flesh

and you need to remove the battery box too.

[chocolate jazz]

Cheers for the advice This mini is getting more and more expensive lol oringaly i was just going for a low wide street racer lol but now i want to build a miglia look alike

[*DJH*]

i want to build a miglia look alike

very nice, but it can be pricey

[chocolate jazz]

very nice, but it can be pricey
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Indeed, Iam parting with some big money at the end of this month on parts Takes ages to save a minute to spend lol

[*DJH*]

Look forward to seeing your project page

[chocolate jazz]

i'll start 1 soon, when i get most parts ready to start building her back up

I cant wait

[JetBLICK]

if you want to keep ur boot u can get a normal anti roll bar, it goes on the back of the rear subby onto the radius arms. Vizard said they never really increased his lap times on a track but where great for rally use because they reduced under steer...well...actually more like they increase oversteer on loose/greasy surfaces. And in the dry they tend to lift the inside rear wheel

[fishy]

Ive bin looking at the mini Miglia's for a while now and have noticed a lot of them, if not all of them have antiroll bars. Could some please explain how they work and are they worth fitting to a road/race mini.

cheers again

This topic is a tricky one to gauge, I am firmly of the opinion that for a racing mini a stiff rear anti roll bar is a necessity, I like a mild one on a road car, but that is just my opinion. My advice to you would be to get to grips with some basic suspension settings without the a.r.b. Once you have done this, then fit one and see the difference, and re-adjust the car to suit

The idea of the a.r.b is to reduce the roll of the car at the rear, the reason for doing this is to reduce the weight transfer onto the outside front tyre when cornering. The reduced loading on the front tyre reduces the slip angle of the tyre, and hence the understeer, and the increased loading of the rear tyres can act to reduce rear grip and promote oversteer.

The resultant change in attitude of the car in the corner does require a slightly different approach to driving the car, but in a race, it creates all important exit speed because you can apply the power earlier without understeering off the track.

I've spoken to a couple of 60s mini drivers who both said that in the 60's they prefered the back of the car as loose as possible in order to go quickly, granted things have changed but the car hasn't, also the reflexes and finesse of world class drivers in their heyday will be better than yours or mine, so my advice is try it and see, you may be pleasantly surprised at your lap times in a car that is very loose at the back.

The KAD rear bar will fit a standar mini, but depending on tyre choice will probably need shortening slightly to avoid rubbing the tyres. This is not such a problem with Avons or Hoosiers, Dunlop Racing, but is more of a problem with the road going 10" tyres (Yokos, falkens etc), not such a problem with 12" tyre. The minispares bar is also good, and will fit no problem, however it is a lot softer. I think I would start with one of these before making your own bar, or having your own made.


Hope this helps a bit

[mini_mission]

now we're on the subject, what benefits and disadvantages can be seen using an a.r.b with 13s?

[chocolate jazz]

Ive bin looking at the mini Miglia's for a while now and have noticed a lot of them, if not all of them have antiroll bars. Could some please explain how they work and are they worth fitting to a road/race mini.

cheers again

This topic is a tricky one to gauge, I am firmly of the opinion that for a racing mini a stiff rear anti roll bar is a necessity, I like a mild one on a road car, but that is just my opinion. My advice to you would be to get to grips with some basic suspension settings without the a.r.b. Once you have done this, then fit one and see the difference, and re-adjust the car to suit

The idea of the a.r.b is to reduce the roll of the car at the rear, the reason for doing this is to reduce the weight transfer onto the outside front tyre when cornering. The reduced loading on the front tyre reduces the slip angle of the tyre, and hence the understeer, and the increased loading of the rear tyres can act to reduce rear grip and promote oversteer.

The resultant change in attitude of the car in the corner does require a slightly different approach to driving the car, but in a race, it creates all important exit speed because you can apply the power earlier without understeering off the track.

I've spoken to a couple of 60s mini drivers who both said that in the 60's they prefered the back of the car as loose as possible in order to go quickly, granted things have changed but the car hasn't, also the reflexes and finesse of world class drivers in their heyday will be better than yours or mine, so my advice is try it and see, you may be pleasantly surprised at your lap times in a car that is very loose at the back.

The KAD rear bar will fit a standar mini, but depending on tyre choice will probably need shortening slightly to avoid rubbing the tyres. This is not such a problem with Avons or Hoosiers, Dunlop Racing, but is more of a problem with the road going 10" tyres (Yokos, falkens etc), not such a problem with 12" tyre. The minispares bar is also good, and will fit no problem, however it is a lot softer. I think I would start with one of these before making your own bar, or having your own made.


Hope this helps a bit

Cheers for that fishy