Jump to content


Photo
- - - - -

Cam lift


  • Please log in to reply
15 replies to this topic

#1 alexcrosse

alexcrosse

    Up Into Fourth

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 3,786 posts

Posted 11 August 2007 - 06:58 PM

Got a 286 kent cam. I need to no the exhaust and inlet lift @ tdc... Proving difficult. Is there anywhere i could get circular diagrams from??

Cheers.

#2 roofless

roofless

    Sticker Pimp

  • Traders
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 7,215 posts
  • Local Club: central minis

Posted 11 August 2007 - 07:17 PM

Got a 286 kent cam. I need to no the exhaust and inlet lift @ tdc... Proving difficult. Is there anywhere i could get circular diagrams from??

Cheers.


didnt they come with the cams? you aint having much luck with stuff missing are you

does this help?

http://www.theminifo...showtopic=36988

#3 alexcrosse

alexcrosse

    Up Into Fourth

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 3,786 posts

Posted 11 August 2007 - 07:19 PM

at TDC is the inlet and exhaust equal?

#4 Sprocket

Sprocket

    Great on Injection faults

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 7,266 posts
  • Location: Warrington
  • Local Club: Manchester Minis

Posted 11 August 2007 - 07:20 PM

The Kent web site will give you this information >_<

#5 Ethel

Ethel

    ..is NOT a girl!

  • TMF Team
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 25,451 posts
  • Local Club: none

Posted 11 August 2007 - 07:24 PM

Very much doubt it. I'm puzzled as to why you want this info???

#6 alexcrosse

alexcrosse

    Up Into Fourth

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 3,786 posts

Posted 11 August 2007 - 07:28 PM

they dont seem to say full exhaust lift at tdc. Well i think its obvious? i dont want my pistons to hit my valves. since i have a 1.5:1 rocker set, 11.5:1 cr, very little combustion chamber, and the exhaust is going to be open more at TDC than inlet surely.

Already been on kent.

Can someone tell me is the exhaust and inlet is equal at TDC?

#7 v8mini

v8mini

    One Carb Or Two?

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 726 posts
  • Local Club: Minis on the run

Posted 11 August 2007 - 07:37 PM

at TDC shouldn't they both be shut whether on fire stroke of not. so no lift for either

#8 Ethel

Ethel

    ..is NOT a girl!

  • TMF Team
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 25,451 posts
  • Local Club: none

Posted 11 August 2007 - 07:42 PM

I can't see either valve coming anywhere near the pistons at tdc. Is the cam in the engine yet? you could work out what lift would have to be to hit the piston and then measure the lobes to see if that point is anywhere near.

It's a common choice of cam so someone must run it with 1.5's before now surely?

I'm sure you'll be doing a dry build? Try a blob of plasticine on the piston without a head gasket for peace of mind.

#9 alexcrosse

alexcrosse

    Up Into Fourth

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 3,786 posts

Posted 11 August 2007 - 07:45 PM

at TDC shouldn't they both be shut whether on fire stroke of not. so no lift for either


ive worked it out now from halving the duration and and adding it to the max lift on exhaust. Im safe. But they are open at TDC simon... spark isnt at tdc anyway.

Need beer and sleep >_<

#10 Ethel

Ethel

    ..is NOT a girl!

  • TMF Team
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 25,451 posts
  • Local Club: none

Posted 11 August 2007 - 08:03 PM

From a quick thumb through Vizard even a 300 degree race cam would only have 60 degrees of lift on either valve at tdc. But, to throw a spanner in the works, would the valves open and shut faster than the piston moves down the bore??? Could be if they were gonna meet it wouldn't be at tdc!

It makes my head hurt too much so, I think I'll stick to dry builds.

#11 alexcrosse

alexcrosse

    Up Into Fourth

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 3,786 posts

Posted 11 August 2007 - 08:04 PM

60 degrees and tdc? that makes no sence atall.

#12 Ethel

Ethel

    ..is NOT a girl!

  • TMF Team
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 25,451 posts
  • Local Club: none

Posted 11 August 2007 - 08:16 PM

According to Viz....

AEG 596 - 320 deg Super Sprint

Ex closes 55 deg after TDC

In opens 60 deg before TDC


643 is the Abingdon cam with 288 duration

Ex 39 after, Inlet 34 before (Max lift 110 ATDC)

#13 alexcrosse

alexcrosse

    Up Into Fourth

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 3,786 posts

Posted 11 August 2007 - 08:21 PM

According to Viz....

AEG 596 - 320 deg Super Sprint

Ex closes 55 deg after TDC

In opens 60 deg before TDC


643 is the Abingdon cam with 288 duration

Ex 39 after, Inlet 34 before (Max lift 110 ATDC)


yer, 60 degrees before tdc, not at, lol. I no, well thats just vizard phrasing things badly as per usual. basically i worked it out. I was worried about the distance it would be open at tdc. But it seems alrite. Ill turn it over slow with no plugs etc. Have a GOOD look. And see how it goes. I just really wanted to check, not running the original 314 cam, running a 286 with 1.5:1's which would gimme a higher exhaust lift, and i got a really shallow chamber and skimmed omegas since its a 1430, so not much room in there!!!

#14 Ethel

Ethel

    ..is NOT a girl!

  • TMF Team
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 25,451 posts
  • Local Club: none

Posted 11 August 2007 - 08:29 PM

Makes sense to me (I think >_< )

Inlet opens 60 degrees before so at TDC it will be roughly a 1/3rd of its way to full lift (by cam rotation and somewhat less in terms of actual valve lift). The Exhaust is doing much the same in reverse.

#15 alexcrosse

alexcrosse

    Up Into Fourth

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 3,786 posts

Posted 11 August 2007 - 08:34 PM

Makes sense to me (I think >_< )

Inlet opens 60 degrees before so at TDC it will be roughly a 1/3rd of its way to full lift (by cam rotation and somewhat less in terms of actual valve lift). The Exhaust is doing much the same in reverse.


but its not linear. and u just said 60 degrees at TDC, thats what i was on about. Roughly yes, i should be fine! ill just wack the head on and turn it over. Should be fine. 286 is 180 degree apposed (in and ex) and working it out the valves SHOULD clear. But it sayes silly things in the kent manual like, must be .016 clearance, then doesnt tell u lift at TDC! lmao. Ah well.

Cheers, guys.




0 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 0 guests, 0 anonymous users