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[paulrockliffe]

Chris,

The MOT manual thing s available online, is a bit of a read, but worth looking through.

The indicator light warning liights are NOT a fail unless you have a silent relay. The warning can be either audible are visual, so as long as you can hear the relay, that's cool. The only caveat iis that I'm not sure if having the lights and them nt working would be a fail. If you put some tape over the lights then you're fine.

[yorkshirechris]

The relay is quite loud and it's under the steering column.

I appreciate all your advice but I'm really now more confused than I was to start with! I've been told that I need to see the lights and I've been told I don't... I've been told the CV joints will fail it and I've been told they wont... argh

[Shifty]

Chris,

The MOT manual thing s available online, is a bit of a read, but worth looking through.

The indicator light warning liights are NOT a fail unless you have a silent relay. The warning can be either audible are visual, so as long as you can hear the relay, that's cool. The only caveat iis that I'm not sure if having the lights and them nt working would be a fail. If you put some tape over the lights then you're fine.

May have to agree to disagree about this, the idea of having an indicator light is so that the driver know when the lights are on, just having the relay clicking may not be audible at road speeds. For part of the test the tester sits behind the wheel of the car and checks the operation of the dash lights.


Sean

Edited by shiftyseamus, 16 December 2007 - 06:12 PM.

[Shifty]

The relay is quite loud and it's under the steering column.

I appreciate all your advice but I'm really now more confused than I was to start with! I've been told that I need to see the lights and I've been told I don't... I've been told the CV joints will fail it and I've been told they wont... argh

To put your mind at rest I will ask a mate of mine who is an MOT tester, that should help clear things up, my advice is based on what I've had minis fail on over the years!!

Sean

[minislapper]

In the long term I plan to get hi-lo's on the front and I'll get them set to a slightly higher ride height which will overcome this rubbing

Fitting hi-los is not solving the problem! The problem is old saggy suspension components. Fit new knuckles and rubber cones and this should solve it.

[yorkshirechris]

In the long term I plan to get hi-lo's on the front and I'll get them set to a slightly higher ride height which will overcome this rubbing

Fitting hi-los is not solving the problem! The problem is old saggy suspension components. Fit new knuckles and rubber cones and this should solve it.

I know I just said it'll overcome the problem

Are "trumpets" the same as knuckles or cones? Reason I ask is because I've been told one of the trumpets at the back has gone hence the sagging on one side.

[blue redtop]

cv joints wont fail a mot if they click and the gaiters are fine.

and you do need lights on the dash that show when your indicator lights are on.i know this as my mini failed the mot on this about 6 weeks ago.
hope that helps

[insamoufonyx]

but your missing the point that it may not be the cv joints, could just as likely wheel bearigns witch i can tell you now it will fail if it is!

[Shifty]

but your missing the point that it may not be the cv joints, could just as likely wheel bearigns witch i can tell you now it will fail if it is!

He did say that it was a clicking noise on full lock which does seem to indicate CV joints.

Wheel brgs tend to be a grumble or a rumbling noise, simplest thing would be just to jack car up and check for play.

Sean

[sixwheeler]

cv joints wont fail a mot if they click and the gaiters are fine.

CV Joints should fail the MOT if they are EXCESSIVELY WORN OR INSECURE. The clicking noise is an indication that the joint is worn. At the end of the day it is up to the tester to decide if it is excessively worn or not.

I would suggest that an audible tell tale for the indicators would be an audible relay, similar to the noise that the you get with a tow bar installed, but it is not defined so could be a bit of a shady area with respect to a standard clicky relay.

[paulrockliffe]

www.motuk.co.uk

The hazard light 'tell-tale' must be a light, so while the audible relay may be ok, you will need a light for your hazard lights. If your car is pre-april 1986, then you don't need hazard lights, but if you have them they will be tested.

Personally I would get a couple of LED lights and jst fit them into your dash, couple of holes, push them, wiring's easy. Sorted.

[yorkshirechris]

www.motuk.co.uk

The hazard light 'tell-tale' must be a light, so while the audible relay may be ok, you will need a light for your hazard lights. If your car is pre-april 1986, then you don't need hazard lights, but if you have them they will be tested.

Personally I would get a couple of LED lights and jst fit them into your dash, couple of holes, push them, wiring's easy. Sorted.

My car is a 1985 but it has hazard lights as standard, they work fine.

I'm still doubtful about the view of the speedo so I've arranged to collect a new dash this week. It's the one up there ^^^ with the fixing kit included. Will save me a lot of hassle and he will customise it for my rev counter etc.

[paulrockliffe]

My car is a 1985 but it has hazard lights as standard, they work fine.

What I meant was that even if the audible click is acceptable for your indicators, you have to have a warning light for your hazards anyway, so might as well use that warning light with the indicators anyway.

Sounds liek you've got it sorted anyway!

[yorkshirechris]

Right, since I last posted I've fitted a new dash which has holes for the indicator lights.

So, I can see the indicator lights flashing, but they're pale orange - does that make a difference? Is it an MOT fail? Because all cars flash green as standard petty I know... but I don't want to fail on a petty little thing like that!

[Jordie]

Doesnt it just need a tell tale?

If you want them green, cut up a 7up or sprite bottle and stick them on the back of the dashboard. simple.