They still earn £50k a week!! Thats more than I earn in a month!
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Posted 24 April 2008 - 08:57 PM
They still earn £50k a week!! Thats more than I earn in a month!
I agree that, but the government is laughing their way through their budgets when a footballer pays 200k tax, every week.
I DO agree that the other 200k a month they get is far too much. But society wouldn't be the same without 'idols' or high-earners.
There are plenty of examples.
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Posted 24 April 2008 - 09:00 PM
Considering the number of footballers that are in that sort of bracket, and the amount of money the government rakes in a month from income tax, we're talking very very small percentages.
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Posted 24 April 2008 - 09:02 PM
It's clearly not fair that some of these footballers get paid such a vast sum of money for what is in essence is just kicking a ball around a field. The thing is, as it is such a popular spectator sport the big-wigs can capitalise on this, and so as the star players they are entitled to the fair share of what their managers get.
It's the same with all forms of popular entertainment really, if people are willing to pay for a ticket to see a band or football club or a film at the cinema then you can't deny the musicians, footballers and actresses their proportion of the income.
As far as I know it's not possible to do such a thing with our armed forces and civil servants. Can you imagine the police getting a sponsorship deal?
There are charities in which it is possible to donate money, but as we already pay towards these services via tax it is easy to appreciate why people are reluctant to give any more.
Anyway, back to the case at hand. As a student at college I missed my first two lessons today due to my I.T and Theatre teacher being on strike (i'd have missed them regardless 'because my mini wouldn't start up! First of many breakdowns to come i believe!) and I'm in somewhat support of them. To my knowledge they've been cheated out of a grand, and although it's perfectly acceptable to live on the reduced wages, I don't see why they should have to change their lifestyle for no fault of their own.
They have my sympathy, but I'm not sure striking is going to help at all, but with the way the system works there's not much else they can do, is there?
It's the same with all forms of popular entertainment really, if people are willing to pay for a ticket to see a band or football club or a film at the cinema then you can't deny the musicians, footballers and actresses their proportion of the income.
As far as I know it's not possible to do such a thing with our armed forces and civil servants. Can you imagine the police getting a sponsorship deal?
There are charities in which it is possible to donate money, but as we already pay towards these services via tax it is easy to appreciate why people are reluctant to give any more.
Anyway, back to the case at hand. As a student at college I missed my first two lessons today due to my I.T and Theatre teacher being on strike (i'd have missed them regardless 'because my mini wouldn't start up! First of many breakdowns to come i believe!) and I'm in somewhat support of them. To my knowledge they've been cheated out of a grand, and although it's perfectly acceptable to live on the reduced wages, I don't see why they should have to change their lifestyle for no fault of their own.
They have my sympathy, but I'm not sure striking is going to help at all, but with the way the system works there's not much else they can do, is there?
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Posted 24 April 2008 - 09:03 PM
They still earn £50k a week!! Thats more than I earn in a month!
I agree that, but the government is laughing their way through their budgets when a footballer pays 200k tax, every week.
I DO agree that the other 200k a month they get is far too much. But society wouldn't be the same without 'idols' or high-earners.
There are plenty of examples.
I was going to write a proper reply, however I didn't trust myself. Short answer is - You have no idea how a society should function.
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Posted 24 April 2008 - 09:05 PM
They still earn £50k a week!! Thats more than I earn in a month!
I agree that, but the government is laughing their way through their budgets when a footballer pays 200k tax, every week.
I DO agree that the other 200k a month they get is far too much. But society wouldn't be the same without 'idols' or high-earners.
There are plenty of examples.
I was going to write a proper reply, however I didn't trust myself. Short answer is - You have no idea how a society should function.
well done sir seamus
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Posted 24 April 2008 - 09:07 PM
Anyway, back to the teachers.
And, they weren't the only profession going on strike! The petrol makers were at it too. I do sympathise with anyone who feels that strike action is the only way to get their bosses to listen to their wage demands, but it ultimately, usually, does nothing. The leaders get fired, and everyone goes back to work a bit more disgruntled. The only true way to make a differnce is just to leave. If enough people got sick of the job and went, their would be a shortage which would push wages up...
And, they weren't the only profession going on strike! The petrol makers were at it too. I do sympathise with anyone who feels that strike action is the only way to get their bosses to listen to their wage demands, but it ultimately, usually, does nothing. The leaders get fired, and everyone goes back to work a bit more disgruntled. The only true way to make a differnce is just to leave. If enough people got sick of the job and went, their would be a shortage which would push wages up...
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Posted 24 April 2008 - 09:08 PM
am i sensing a general lack of money in this topic
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Posted 24 April 2008 - 09:10 PM
Hmmm, yeah i've got a bit of a petrol confession!!
I only caught/ half heard the news about a petrol shortage and how peeps shouldn't panic buy.
Anyway, I decided to take sensible precautions and promptly filled my Vectra with £60 of derv!!
On the way home I found it only affected Scotland!!
I only caught/ half heard the news about a petrol shortage and how peeps shouldn't panic buy.
Anyway, I decided to take sensible precautions and promptly filled my Vectra with £60 of derv!!
On the way home I found it only affected Scotland!!
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Posted 24 April 2008 - 10:06 PM
My dad is a college lecturer and was part of the strike today......I totally agree with the comment made below:
Nobody actually realises what Teachers and Lecturers are subjected to on a daily basis, and also how much work is involved in their jobs. Everybody thinks that it is really easy to teach....to stand up front of a class of students and talk about a subject, its not!! Not only do you have to put up with the above attitude by the students, they also have all the preparation work/marking of work etc to carry out. Coupled with the fact that not all teachers/lecturers get the time off that everyone thinks they do...like my dad everyone thinks that seeing as college breaks up in the summer that he would break up too...wrong!! He still gets the standard 25 days that everyone in a normal job gets, and he has to take those holidays so that they coincide with college holidays too....
Sorry to go off on a rant...but this is a subject close to my heart as unfortuantely earlier this year my dad ended up being signed off work for 2 months as the amount of work that he was doing caused him to be ill....
And so that everyone doesn't think that my dad was all for the strike today...he wasn't he would rather have been in work!! Eventhough he did make the most of the day off by working on my brothers mini....
And I can safely say that they work extremely hard at their jobs. On a daily basis, they take abuse, verbally and physically - swearing, shouting, rule breaking, pupils refusing to be told what to do, disruption of lessons and some of the things that go on at school (mainly my boyfriends) is out of control, sometimes I genuinely fear for his safety.
Nobody actually realises what Teachers and Lecturers are subjected to on a daily basis, and also how much work is involved in their jobs. Everybody thinks that it is really easy to teach....to stand up front of a class of students and talk about a subject, its not!! Not only do you have to put up with the above attitude by the students, they also have all the preparation work/marking of work etc to carry out. Coupled with the fact that not all teachers/lecturers get the time off that everyone thinks they do...like my dad everyone thinks that seeing as college breaks up in the summer that he would break up too...wrong!! He still gets the standard 25 days that everyone in a normal job gets, and he has to take those holidays so that they coincide with college holidays too....
Sorry to go off on a rant...but this is a subject close to my heart as unfortuantely earlier this year my dad ended up being signed off work for 2 months as the amount of work that he was doing caused him to be ill....
And so that everyone doesn't think that my dad was all for the strike today...he wasn't he would rather have been in work!! Eventhough he did make the most of the day off by working on my brothers mini....
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Posted 24 April 2008 - 10:24 PM
Everyone is always going to wish they have more money, even the richest people. But society says that those people who have jobs using their brains will generally earn more (sports stars not withstanding) than those doing physical skills. Rightly or wrongly, its the way it will always be.
If the individual is single, 20 odd thousand a year is enough. Im on 23K (admittedly thats equivalent to about 30k when you take into account the rent and food situation in the army, as well as medical and dental benefits). If you are a couple it is fair to assume that you are both earning a decent salary, say another 20K. Thats a combined income of 40K. That is easily enough. It is also significantly more than the average family income.
I think that anyone in any job should receive a pay rise in line with inflation. Once you have a certain income, you should stay at that level or go up, not down, compartively. I do not think that strike action is the way forward however. If you don't bloody like it - get another job. If you can't get a job on a better salary then that tells me that you should damn well be grateful for your 20k.
However I do believe that there are a good many lazy gits out there that do not deserve a job at all. In my previous job, I was working twice as hard as some other people and was much better at the job, yet getting the same money. Its the same all over.
I personally think a lot of people do not apply for jobs because they are scared of not getting it and end up staying in a job being paid less. I also think that anyone who claims they cannot get a job is wrong. There are plenty of cleaning jobs. I know its not pretty, but I have a lot more respect for a cleaner than some bum who sits on his arse and does nothing.
As for 'idols' and such - I really do not like the way our society has become so fascinated by celebrities and people who are ultimately drop outs. Im a big fotball fan but I do think they get significantly overpaid. I hate all those magazines such as Heat that just focus on celbrities.
There is so much wrong with society in this country right now. At all levels.
If the individual is single, 20 odd thousand a year is enough. Im on 23K (admittedly thats equivalent to about 30k when you take into account the rent and food situation in the army, as well as medical and dental benefits). If you are a couple it is fair to assume that you are both earning a decent salary, say another 20K. Thats a combined income of 40K. That is easily enough. It is also significantly more than the average family income.
I think that anyone in any job should receive a pay rise in line with inflation. Once you have a certain income, you should stay at that level or go up, not down, compartively. I do not think that strike action is the way forward however. If you don't bloody like it - get another job. If you can't get a job on a better salary then that tells me that you should damn well be grateful for your 20k.
However I do believe that there are a good many lazy gits out there that do not deserve a job at all. In my previous job, I was working twice as hard as some other people and was much better at the job, yet getting the same money. Its the same all over.
I personally think a lot of people do not apply for jobs because they are scared of not getting it and end up staying in a job being paid less. I also think that anyone who claims they cannot get a job is wrong. There are plenty of cleaning jobs. I know its not pretty, but I have a lot more respect for a cleaner than some bum who sits on his arse and does nothing.
As for 'idols' and such - I really do not like the way our society has become so fascinated by celebrities and people who are ultimately drop outs. Im a big fotball fan but I do think they get significantly overpaid. I hate all those magazines such as Heat that just focus on celbrities.
There is so much wrong with society in this country right now. At all levels.
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Posted 24 April 2008 - 10:25 PM
He still gets the standard 25 days that everyone in a normal job gets
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when did this change! i still only get 20 daysits strike time! and we do stuff for the MoD there, means boss would give in quite soon i believe
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Posted 24 April 2008 - 10:32 PM
He still gets the standard 25 days that everyone in a normal job gets
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its strike time! and we do stuff for the MoD there, means boss would give in quite soon i believe
Well it varies from job to job David....don't think 25 is a set standard
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Posted 24 April 2008 - 10:40 PM
Yup, I only get 20 day holiday
However i only work a 4 day week, so I get 5 weeks off a year, more if I use bank holiday weeks
However i only work a 4 day week, so I get 5 weeks off a year, more if I use bank holiday weeks
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Posted 25 April 2008 - 07:43 AM
On the subject of holidays - yes they do get a lot, but as Mark pointed out last night, there not proper holidays as they have lessons to be planning and coursework to be marking plus other things to be doing. If they do get a few free days, they still cant have a proper holiday as everyone else (freinds, partners and family) are still at work.
On the subject of pay - He gets between 20-23K and after tax, N.I. and teacher pension thing, he gets about 150 pounds a month more than me. My salary isnt brilliant, and he works far harder than me, and has to deal with all the abuse and things mentioned previously from peoples little darlings.
A few weeks ago, a pupil brought a knife into his school (i mean really, what goes on in their heads) this pupil got expelled, but because of school number and figures, this means they have to take another pupil in. This new pupil had been expelled from a neighbouring school. Five days later in his new school, he has been expelled again for kicking off, kicking and verbally abusing a teacher.
As its all about figues and government targets, schools cant been seen to expell too many pupils, not only will they not meet targets, it also looks bad on the school. They can put the pupils in isolation but pupils enjoy this as it means they are 'skiving' lessons, plus when they go back to class they are behind with the work and they can affect grades etc which also firstly looks bad on the teacher and then the school. They can give them detentions, but even this is on a sytem now, as yes, they school cant been seen to be giving out too many detentions. Generally, if they are given a detention, they dont turn up anyway, and what can be done? As far as i can tell, theres no way of effectively disciplining pupils in schools today...
Mark refers to some of his lessons a 'riot control' where basically he cant teach them anything for the entire hour as all his effort is going into trying to sort out the bad, unruly and abusive percentage of the particular class. Some of the pupils that he has to teach, should not be in mainstream schools, but again, its the governments targets and the, 'every pupil is an individual' malareky (whats it called?) which means the small percentage of the pupils in these classes that genuinley want to learn, are missing out, whilst the teacher attempt to 'sort' the arising problems.
I know not all schools are like this, this is just my experience.
(wow, quite a waffle...)
On the subject of pay - He gets between 20-23K and after tax, N.I. and teacher pension thing, he gets about 150 pounds a month more than me. My salary isnt brilliant, and he works far harder than me, and has to deal with all the abuse and things mentioned previously from peoples little darlings.
A few weeks ago, a pupil brought a knife into his school (i mean really, what goes on in their heads) this pupil got expelled, but because of school number and figures, this means they have to take another pupil in. This new pupil had been expelled from a neighbouring school. Five days later in his new school, he has been expelled again for kicking off, kicking and verbally abusing a teacher.
As its all about figues and government targets, schools cant been seen to expell too many pupils, not only will they not meet targets, it also looks bad on the school. They can put the pupils in isolation but pupils enjoy this as it means they are 'skiving' lessons, plus when they go back to class they are behind with the work and they can affect grades etc which also firstly looks bad on the teacher and then the school. They can give them detentions, but even this is on a sytem now, as yes, they school cant been seen to be giving out too many detentions. Generally, if they are given a detention, they dont turn up anyway, and what can be done? As far as i can tell, theres no way of effectively disciplining pupils in schools today...
Mark refers to some of his lessons a 'riot control' where basically he cant teach them anything for the entire hour as all his effort is going into trying to sort out the bad, unruly and abusive percentage of the particular class. Some of the pupils that he has to teach, should not be in mainstream schools, but again, its the governments targets and the, 'every pupil is an individual' malareky (whats it called?) which means the small percentage of the pupils in these classes that genuinley want to learn, are missing out, whilst the teacher attempt to 'sort' the arising problems.
I know not all schools are like this, this is just my experience.
(wow, quite a waffle...)
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