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#1 [email protected]

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Posted 06 July 2009 - 03:36 PM

Ok, apologies if this has been posted already, these rules aren't new, but they way there are now being enforced is.

"As from 9 June 2009 DVLA have implemented a new system for reporting Illegally displayed VRNS (vehicle registration numbers).
Prior to that the Cop who pulled you over had a number of methods of disposal, ranging from doing nothing, through to Fixed Penalties and Defect Rectification Notices.

There was also a very long and complicated system where if the cop took a picture of the VRN then posted it with a long form to the DVLA they would perhaps if the wind was blowing the right way on a wet Tuesday maybe write to the keeper and tell them off.

NO LONGER

The DVLA have realised that most ops Traffic included won’t issue fixed penalties or spend hours filling in forms and have brought in the following system.
On receipt of a now A4 size form and a copy of the photograph of the offending VRN the DVLA will now write to the registered keeper and give them 28 days to correct the defect AND then provide them (DVLA) photographic evidence of this. On the 29th day they will automatically DEREGISTER your vehicle, if you do provide such proof you will get a letter back saying thank you if it happens again we will deregister the vehicle without warning.

Now having your vehicle deregistered is a real pain it means a day off to the local DVLA office to re register it, getting your tax, mot and insurance changed to your new allocated number because you won’t get your old one back (remember you don’t own your plate, just the rights to display it legally) if it cost thousands it’s a ###### they will just auction it off again.

You can’t drive the car in this time mind you.

Now the bit which will make it a success for them is the vehicle does not have to be stopped for this photo to be taken it can be a CCTV or ANPR camera still image.

Attached is the link to the DVLA regulations for VRNs

http://www.dvla.gov....aflets/v796.pdf

Be aware in this legislation if the owner is claiming an exemption i.e. pre 01092001 the onus is on the keeper to prove that the plate was manufactured before that not the other way round, this is because plates are considered consumable items and likely to frequent change."

Edited by [email protected], 06 July 2009 - 03:36 PM.


#2 dazzul

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Posted 06 July 2009 - 03:59 PM

Ouch >_< @?&*&

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Posted 06 July 2009 - 04:06 PM

I can find nothing about the 28 day rule on removing a mark for infringement?

Edited by garrett3, 06 July 2009 - 04:07 PM.


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Posted 06 July 2009 - 04:48 PM

I wish I knew this yesterday when I bought pressed french plates for my Megane! :thumbsup:

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Posted 06 July 2009 - 06:06 PM

yeah but how many of us already have illegal plates??? yet have never been pulled??? or if we have been pulled have the cops even mentioned your numberplate???

In 7 years of driving and 4 cars I don't think I've ever had a legal numberplate, yet I've been pulled over numerous times for various things. My plates have always been illegal because I have always had websites at the bottom (or my company websites) and then a non British/EU flag at the side (I've always had the car manufacturer badge, or my company logo's), yet my letters and spacing have always been legal.

The police couldn't care less about numberplate's, as long as the letters and numbers are in the legal font/spacing.

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Posted 06 July 2009 - 06:07 PM

I wish I knew this yesterday when I bought pressed french plates for my Megane! :P

Just keep a legal set in the boot. If a cop pulls you, you got pulled yesterday and have just fetched some legal ones :thumbsup:

With this new law in place, you still have 28 days to whack some legal ones on so why would it ever come down to re registering unless you were really stupid?

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Posted 06 July 2009 - 06:24 PM

yeah but how many of us already have illegal plates??? yet have never been pulled??? or if we have been pulled have the cops even mentioned your numberplate???

In 7 years of driving and 4 cars I don't think I've ever had a legal numberplate, yet I've been pulled over numerous times for various things. My plates have always been illegal because I have always had websites at the bottom (or my company websites) and then a non British/EU flag at the side (I've always had the car manufacturer badge, or my company logo's), yet my letters and spacing have always been legal.

The police couldn't care less about numberplate's, as long as the letters and numbers are in the legal font/spacing.

This is the whole point of Simon's post. It's no longer at the discretion of the police officer, these things will just arrive through your letter box.

I wish I knew this yesterday when I bought pressed french plates for my Megane! :P

Just keep a legal set in the boot. If a cop pulls you, you got pulled yesterday and have just fetched some legal ones :thumbsup:
With this new law in place, you still have 28 days to whack some legal ones on so why would it ever come down to re registering unless you were really stupid?

I can't believe the DVLA will let you get away with it more than a couple of times.

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Posted 06 July 2009 - 07:20 PM

Copper or someone still has to fill out the A4 sized form with a photo. So the problem still remians that a copper that already has a mountain of paper work is not gonna be arsed.

And as for the one with fixed camera's thats not gonna happen either. If the DVLA was imposing a statutory £60 fine for instance you could bet your ass that the forms from the camera evidence would be filled in and sent off. But as the first offence is only a warning nothing is gonna happen.

If it doesnt make them money they dont care.

Edited by Stewart_GT, 06 July 2009 - 07:20 PM.


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Posted 06 July 2009 - 07:33 PM

Not doubting what youve said Simon but.. where does it say this new way of processing "offending" plates has come in? I can't find it anywhere :thumbsup:

Like Stewart said it's still down to the officers discretion. If you're a blatent boy racer and your plate doesn't look right, or is deliberately made to decieve then there's a good chance the copper will act.

I got pulled over before for something unrelated to the black & silver plates on my 1979 Mini and the officer never mentioned them. He must have realised they weren't legal but they "looked right" on the car.

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Posted 06 July 2009 - 07:36 PM

I can't believe the DVLA will let you get away with it more than a couple of times.

End of the day, yes youre risking it yourself by having illegal numebrplates.. But like others have said, how many times have they been pulled? 0. So, getting pulled over 3 times for this offence is very, very unlikely.

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Posted 06 July 2009 - 07:40 PM

its saying you only have 1 chance now, 1st time you are asked to provide proof and if it happens again (or you dont provide proof this 1st time) you will be de-regestered.

at least thats what im thinking it means :thumbsup:

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Posted 06 July 2009 - 07:54 PM

Who cares?
Just put legal plates on. Not exactly difficult is it?
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Posted 06 July 2009 - 07:57 PM

People are stupid and naive if they ignore the warnings.

Police DO NOT have to pull you over! They do not need to comment on the plates, so you will not know if you've been caught. All they need is a photo... then the office bod can fill in a form.. I am assuming it doesn't need to be done there and then.. as long as they have the photo they have you.

Photos can be taken by anything with number plate recognition, not just a digital camera that someone carries.. so you can be caught at every petrol station you visit, any road works that now have variable speed limits, police cctv from in car, Speed cameras, mobile speed cameras... and no doubt the traffic warden could also be involved in this.

Also charges will be involved, if people think they will get away with it... if the de-register your car you will have to pay for re-registering it.. its about £80 i think. You would pay this if you buy personalised plates, so no doubt it will be enforced into this too.

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Posted 06 July 2009 - 08:10 PM

Isn't some of this about the fact the ANPR cameras have trouble reading anything but
yellow/black or white/black plates anyway ?

So - your plates are illegal, the police don't have to stop you because it's all automated,
but the automated system can't see you... Hmmmmm

Edited by MiniMonty, 06 July 2009 - 08:40 PM.


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Posted 06 July 2009 - 08:19 PM

Thing is when I got my mini i had plates on that had website on from the garage that put the plates on. Would they be illegel? Iv now got plates that have ' YOUR ONLY SUPPOST TO BLOW THE BLOODY DOORS OFF' on them. How can it be legal to have a website on them but not that?




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