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[davidv]

Looking at the bike case if the Daddy on his trike fires out his pony slaves he gets all the blame thats sad.

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I am not sure that this targets any clubs directly, just the nature of speeding. Being punished for what someone behind you I do not agree with, but to say clubs and convoys are being targeted is wrong. They are targeting people that speed. The leader of that group was doing 40% over the speed limit. The person catching up was doing 75% over the limit. Both should be punished, but dealt with separately with diffeerent punishments. I rarely see Mini convoys doing more than 60-70, if the leader of the convoy is within the speed limit, then there is no grounds to prosecute the leader, only those that may be speeding behind to catch up.

[The_Mistro]

I am not sure that this targets any clubs directly, just the nature of speeding. Being punished for what someone behind you I do not agree with, but to say clubs and convoys are being targeted is wrong. They are targeting people that speed. The leader of that group was doing 40% over the speed limit. The person catching up was doing 75% over the limit. Both should be punished, but dealt with separately with diffeerent punishments. I rarely see Mini convoys doing more than 60-70, if the leader of the convoy is within the speed limit, then there is no grounds to prosecute the leader, only those that may be speeding behind to catch up.

i didnt mean target in the sense they were going after "us", i mean that clubs dont tend to speed, but yobs who go for a "cruise" around town and rag it back home to the next town or city with their mates in their saxos, pugs and corsas would, but theres no way of proving they were in a convoy, as they cant say tehre part of the mini owners club of such and such or the Vdub club as there completly different cars!

[davidv]

Yes most people love there Minis because they are a classic not a Race car although with some work they do shift and handle great

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I am not sure that this targets any clubs directly, just the nature of speeding. Being punished for what someone behind you I do not agree with, but to say clubs and convoys are being targeted is wrong. They are targeting people that speed. The leader of that group was doing 40% over the speed limit. The person catching up was doing 75% over the limit. Both should be punished, but dealt with separately with diffeerent punishments. I rarely see Mini convoys doing more than 60-70, if the leader of the convoy is within the speed limit, then there is no grounds to prosecute the leader, only those that may be speeding behind to catch up.

i didnt mean target in the sense they were going after "us", i mean that clubs dont tend to speed, but yobs who go for a "cruise" around town and rag it back home to the next town or city with their mates in their saxos, pugs and corsas would, but theres no way of proving they were in a convoy, as they cant say tehre part of the mini owners club of such and such or the Vdub club as there completly different cars!

If anyone speeds, whether they be in a group, or driving alone, they are likely to get prosecuted for that offence. Whether thats a car, 2 cars, or 10 cars

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As a side not to this, the Police enforce the speeding law. It is the courts that decide the penalty, and I would assume these cases were merged or heard on same day for them to receive the same punishment

[The_Mistro]

I am not sure that this targets any clubs directly, just the nature of speeding. Being punished for what someone behind you I do not agree with, but to say clubs and convoys are being targeted is wrong. They are targeting people that speed. The leader of that group was doing 40% over the speed limit. The person catching up was doing 75% over the limit. Both should be punished, but dealt with separately with diffeerent punishments. I rarely see Mini convoys doing more than 60-70, if the leader of the convoy is within the speed limit, then there is no grounds to prosecute the leader, only those that may be speeding behind to catch up.

i didnt mean target in the sense they were going after "us", i mean that clubs dont tend to speed, but yobs who go for a "cruise" around town and rag it back home to the next town or city with their mates in their saxos, pugs and corsas would, but theres no way of proving they were in a convoy, as they cant say tehre part of the mini owners club of such and such or the Vdub club as there completly different cars!

If anyone speeds, whether they be in a group, or driving alone, they are likely to get prosecuted for that offence. Whether thats a car, 2 cars, or 10 cars

oh yeah, i agree with that! 100% but what im saying is, people who go out in a convoy with the intention of driving fast and stupidly with their mates in their mainstream, cheap, mass produced cars such as pugs, saxos, fiestas etc arent going to get done under this new scheme, as there isnt anyway of proving that they were in the convoy, but a mini convoy on the way to a show, where the group is going at the limit, or under it, one person breaks down or gets stuck at lights etc, are going just over the limit say on the motorway to catch up, or they are overtaking a few lorries to get back with the group, the leader of the convoy shouldnt get done for that as he is setting a safe pace with the main bulk of the group! where as the yobs ragging it around everywhere, say on a main road past a copper, they will all get done, but the leader wont get done under this new law, as they can just say, im just going the same direction as him, caught up with him at the traffic lights!

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I see what you are saying, but thats not the point of the article. The person at the front of this group was already guilty of speeding. It was the punishment he received that was raised to that of the trailing faster rider. If he hadn't been speeding, the trailing rider wouldn't have been going faster still, nor would he have been in court to be punished.

This would then not have any affect on any mini convoy within the speed limit.

[jake cooper]

I am not sure that this targets any clubs directly, just the nature of speeding. Being punished for what someone behind you I do not agree with, but to say clubs and convoys are being targeted is wrong. They are targeting people that speed. The leader of that group was doing 40% over the speed limit. The person catching up was doing 75% over the limit. Both should be punished, but dealt with separately with diffeerent punishments. I rarely see Mini convoys doing more than 60-70, if the leader of the convoy is within the speed limit, then there is no grounds to prosecute the leader, only those that may be speeding behind to catch up.

i didnt mean target in the sense they were going after "us", i mean that clubs dont tend to speed, but yobs who go for a "cruise" around town and rag it back home to the next town or city with their mates in their saxos, pugs and corsas would, but theres no way of proving they were in a convoy, as they cant say tehre part of the mini owners club of such and such or the Vdub club as there completly different cars!

If anyone speeds, whether they be in a group, or driving alone, they are likely to get prosecuted for that offence. Whether thats a car, 2 cars, or 10 cars

oh yeah, i agree with that! 100% but what im saying is, people who go out in a convoy with the intention of driving fast and stupidly with their mates in their mainstream, cheap, mass produced cars such as pugs, saxos, fiestas etc arent going to get done under this new scheme, as there isnt anyway of proving that they were in the convoy, but a mini convoy on the way to a show, where the group is going at the limit, or under it, one person breaks down or gets stuck at lights etc, are going just over the limit say on the motorway to catch up, or they are overtaking a few lorries to get back with the group, the leader of the convoy shouldnt get done for that as he is setting a safe pace with the main bulk of the group! where as the yobs ragging it around everywhere, say on a main road past a copper, they will all get done, but the leader wont get done under this new law, as they can just say, im just going the same direction as him, caught up with him at the traffic lights!

The cruz boyz should be done for street racing.......and bad taste.

[yorkshirechris]

In my eyes this is ridiculous. If that guy was doing 85mph in a 60mph zone then that's what he's done. Why should he be punished the same as he would if he were doing 103mph when the plain facts are that he wasn't?! Just because he was leading a convoy at that particular point of being pulled over?

If convoys are so dangerous and people involved in them so reckless, why aren't we hearing more often about people getting seriously injured and dieing in convoys of vehicles? Because the facts are that those involved in convoys especially motorcyclists are enthusiasts and the vast majority are very good experienced drivers.

Yet another way to try control us and get more money out of us. Instead of focusing on speed and taking up the view that if you lead a convoy you must be a danger to humanity, why don't they punish people according to their driving style i.e. if they're swerving all over the road and overtaking on solid white lines then by all means make the punishment more severe.

[Bungle]

what happens in a siltation like me in my camper

plodding along the motorway flat out at 60 MPH when the beetle at the back of the convoy falls behind and decides to put his foot down to catch up

beetle gets done for 85 MPH but do i in my camper get done for the same being at the front ?

it's not even possible for me to do 85 MPH

[yorkshirechris]

it's not even possible for me to do 85 MPH

It sounds like that isn't even a factor

For all they know that guys bike might not have been capable of 103mph - they clocked him at 85 but still punsihed him as though he were doing 103.

It seems grossly unfair to me.

[mrslaphead]

The only person that was doing 103 was the copper, no one else was proved to be going that fast.
The copper had to do 103 to catch them up, that means they must have been travelling at less than 103 (or he would still be following them)
So why has anyone been done for travelling at 103 , let alone the guy at the front.

I had this argument with a copper who pulled me over for alleged speeding because he had to travel at 40 to catch me up I must have been speeding.
The look on his face was priceless when I pointed out that he would have to go faster than me or we would just be the same distance apart forever.
He didnt really have an answer for that and I was let off with a "warning" . I presume the warning was for driving slower than him but Im not too sure

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what happens in a siltation like me in my camper

plodding along the motorway flat out at 60 MPH when the beetle at the back of the convoy falls behind and decides to put his foot down to catch up

beetle gets done for 85 MPH but do i in my camper get done for the same being at the front ?

it's not even possible for me to do 85 MPH

As I said above, the leader of it only got prosecuted beacuse he was already speeding. I still see it as unfair, and the punishment harsh, but if he wasn't speeding in the first place, he wouldn't be in the situation he is in now. The rule is, and always will be: If you speed, and get caught, you will be prosecuted for it.

But there are many more bike accidents that kill and mame due to excess speed, I expect the Judge is trying to set an example

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The only person that was doing 103 was the copper, no one else was proved to be going that fast.
The copper had to do 103 to catch them up, that means they must have been travelling at less than 103 (or he would still be following them)
So why has anyone been done for travelling at 103 , let alone the guy at the front.

The article does not state that. It says the police office tailed them, at which point he would have compared speeds using fixed points. It does no where say the officer reached that speed to catch them up.