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[minitiae]

Hey ,has anybody seen this - I signed a petition but sadly it has failed! Any comments anyone?

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Mini-scrappage - epetition response
We received a petition asking:

“We the undersigned petition the Prime Minister to act on removing cars of British Heritage from being accepted within the scrappage scheme.”

Details of Petition:

“Although I am starting this petition with focus on the Classic Austin, Morris and Rover Mini I am sure that all owners of cars that have a status of British Heritage would agree and sign the petition. The introduction of the Scrappage scheme is seen by many as beneficial to the motor industry and environment. However the policy was wide sweeping and does not appear to consider cars that hold more than the short term financial benefit of the Scrappage scheme. Clubs and the Classic Car Media are noting with disbelief cars of Heritage being traded in and then scrapped. The government needs to reconsider the policy and remove Scrappage payments for cars that are part of the British Heritage.”

· Read the petition
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Read the Government’s response
We appreciate the concerns of classic car enthusiasts. However, the Government’s position on this issue is that owners of older cars, enthusiasts or otherwise, should not be blocked from participation in the scheme, if that is their wish. It is for the owners of a vehicle to decide what they want to do with their own property. Additionally, there is nothing to stop people selling a vehicle privately and people interested in buying a car must look at the options available and decide whether the scrappage scheme is right for them.

A Certificate of Destruction must be issued for all Scrappage Scheme vehicles. Whatever their age or condition, these vehicles are effectively being declared End of Life Vehicle (ELVs) by their last owners at the dealerships which accept them. To comply with the 2003 ELV Regulations, the vehicle must be initially treated at an Authorised Treatment Facility (ATF), to the standards required (fluids drained, battery and tyres removed, airbags deployed or removed), and it would then no longer be classed as hazardous waste. The scrapping process could stop at that stage and the vehicle could be preserved and sold on, should the ATF wish to do so. Although a vehicle should not be put back on the road, even if this is possible, it could be saved for display or donation to a museum.

[Guess-Works.com]

ah ha

The scrapping process could stop at that stage and the vehicle could be preserved and sold on, should the ATF wish to do so. Although a vehicle should not be put back on the road, even if this is possible, it could be saved for display or donation to a museum.

Reminds me of a thread recently about same subject and people insisting on them physically being scrapped...

My argument is vindicated..

Nah-nah-ne-nah-naaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhh

[mab01uk]

No surprise there then!

This goverment hates motorists and their cars whether modern or classic and only see them as a constantly rising source of revenue and taxes, little of which is spent on our roads..........

And it was Gordon Brown who abolished the 25 year rolling classic car tax exemption as soon as he became Chancellor in Tony Blairs first term of office.

Edited by mab01uk, 04 December 2009 - 08:57 PM.

[taffy1967]

Double standards and where as their forever going on about our carbon footprint (a term I'm sick of hearing) and everything else barmy, you get people like Fatty 2 Jags Prescott who drove across the street so his wife's hair didn't get spoiled.

It was the stupid Governments who ripped up the nations local railway lines and replaced them with motorways that caused the problems we now have. It was their choice and not the public's and then during the 1980's you had that evil witch Maggie Thatcher telling everyone that if you have to catch a bus then you've failed in life and greed is good.

So today we have gridlocked traffic and gatso speed camera's everywhere. Rip-off Britain is the right term now and the Government wins and we fill our cars up with petrol or diesel regardless of the price.

Rant over.

[CLASSIC-MINI-BITS]

I will sign, we have had five great mini's through the scappage scheme, the latest I collected today, it is such a shame. there was also a mgb gt, sitting there ready to be crushed, but i could not tow it with with the trailer, due to the towing weight of my the car I took at the time. it is a shame.

[mattdc2r]

Still, £2k is pretty good for an old car. I doubt there are many people scrapping cars that are worth significantly more than that!

[taffy1967]

Some idiots are and even so it's a shame when 'old' cars that are in great shape are being wasted like that.

[mattdc2r]

Totally agree with you taffy, but you've only to look in the classifieds to realise how little our older cars are worth. At least now we know not all are crushed, so that may offer some decent spares as vehicles are stripped instead

[rob#155]

Still, £2k is pretty good for an old car. I doubt there are many people scrapping cars that are worth significantly more than that!

Thats not really the point though is it?

this is a country where you can't just demolish a building of historic interest, or significant design or type of construction as the building becomes "listed", so why oh why is it ok to destroy historic vehicles, yes I admit many are not worth 2k, however it's sad that this country finds it acceptable to destroy an historic relic under the pretence it will save the earth, why not stop producing more and more new vehicles, surely all we are doing is supporting the foreign car manufacturers as the energy used to produce a car from scratch will far outweigh the damage caused by the emmissions from a used historic car. Anyway are we not just recycling by keeping an old vehicle going?
Even the americans are clever enough to have an exemption on historic cars in their scrappage scheme.

Makes me mad this, is it really going to save the planet when all around the world there are nutters running countries with nuclear capabilities!

The end of the world is nigh!!!!

[dsgoody]

this is a country where you can't just demolish a building of historic interest, or significant design or type of construction as the building becomes "listed", so why oh why is it ok to destroy historic vehicles, yes I admit many are not worth 2k, however it's sad that this country finds it acceptable to destroy an historic relic under the pretence it will save the earth, why not stop producing more and more new vehicles, surely all we are doing is supporting the foreign car manufacturers as the energy used to produce a car from scratch will far outweigh the damage caused by the emmissions from a used historic car. Anyway are we not just recycling by keeping an old vehicle going?
Even the americans are clever enough to have an exemption on historic cars in their scrappage scheme.

Makes me mad this, is it really going to save the planet when all around the world there are nutters running countries with nuclear capabilities!

The end of the world is nigh!!!!

You've sumed it up in one!

[Ethel]

You can't really dispute the owner's right to participate if they want argument in the reply.

At least it kept a civil servant occupied for a few minutes, less time for them to dream up more ill conceived rubbish. The idea a museum would want to display what's left after a car's been through the hands of your average dismantler and had had its fluids dropped & tyres removed with the assistance of a propane torch is laughable - but, of course, they know better than those with a genuine interest in classic cars and the motor industry.

The whole point is the trade-ins aren't ELV's (not even if they're Rileys ), they have Mot's that say otherwise . This is precisely why the 2003 Polit Bureau Diktat shouldn't apply.

[Sherlock]

Hypocrites! Quote: 'It is for the owners of a vehicle to decide what they want to do with their own property'. The Government don't subscribe to that philosophy in any other context, for instance when you want to re-build or modify your own car, the many new laws reflect that. Maybe I should make a note of that statement!

[dave585]

Double standards and where as their forever going on about our carbon footprint (a term I'm sick of hearing) and everything else barmy, you get people like Fatty 2 Jags Prescott who drove across the street so his wife's hair didn't get spoiled.

It was the stupid Governments who ripped up the nations local railway lines and replaced them with motorways that caused the problems we now have. It was their choice and not the public's and then during the 1980's you had that evil witch Maggie Thatcher telling everyone that if you have to catch a bus then you've failed in life and greed is good.

So today we have gridlocked traffic and gatso speed camera's everywhere. Rip-off Britain is the right term now and the Government wins and we fill our cars up with petrol or diesel regardless of the price.

Rant over.

First of all it was a Labour goverment who ripped up the Rail lines remember Doctor beeching in the 60's making every body move in to cars, may be they could see in to the future! But now we have a goverment who hurts us all in tax after tax, the banks, europe and a war no one wants. But most of all hurting the motorist as they know we are easy targets for money, Dont forget petrol goes up on the 1st of jan 2010 when vat goes up, They never took it off in the first place! They dont care for us at all! The scrappage was brought in to help the motor industry and it has worked and a good way of people getting new cars, but in away its up to the person with the car classic or not what they do with it.
Classic cars sould be saved for our history but as you can see it is no interest to the goverment and Mr Brown at all. So if you want to see him and this goverment gone then vote them out! (some areas of the uk still love Gordon) Speak to your local MP/MSP/AM and voice your worries and see what they say.
LETS KEEP CLASSICS ALIVE!
More voices heard will help. "people should not be affaid of its goverment, Its the goverment would shold be affraid of its people"

[Pitcrew6464]

i hate labour and gordon bloody brown

[Ethel]

I think it's apolitical, they all promote pseudo green credentials and would "give away" bargain cars to try and buy votes. If they, and we, were serious about saving the planet, they would use the tax system to make us pay a true price for the damage we cause. Loads more tax on energy consumption to make us look for jobs & homes that are closer together and not pay to jet ourselves and luxury foods around the globe. A big hike in petrol prices would do more than the scrappage gimmick but won't win votes.