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[captainjack15]

Ok, I never used to drink during school, but then I left school to start at college and I used to go out with a few mates and have a few drinks at their houses, but never ventured into pubs until I was 17 in my 2nd year at college, mainly because I didn't look 17!

Now I'm 18 and I go to the pub, have a few pints, not always alcoholic I may say so. Ok I sometimes get a little merry and end up staggering home, but come on you've always got to let your hair down! Ok I have short hair!

Fake ID is a waste of time and the few people I know with it, don't bother using it as they know it's a waste of time. In Wetherspoons they shove them under the UV lights and never get away with it.

Again local pubs are completely different, anyone (assuming you don't go in in a tracksuit and look like a tool) you'll get served with no hesitation.

[Wriggers37]

I agree with Scallywag, i have a 15 year old and let him have the odd drink in the house at the weekend. I bought him 3 bottles of pear cider to last the whole of xmas, he only drank one and liked it (he's had it before) but wasn't too bothered about drinking the other 2, in fact he said i could have them if i bought him some more next time i went shopping.

I would rather be around if something gets out of hand or he feels a bit rough than him be somewhere on a street corner, stuck and not knowing what to do and never experienced booze before. If you stop a kid from having something they will rebel and try their hardest to get it without you knowing and then end up in all sorts of trouble due to pressure from their mates.

It's the few kids that get out of control that ruin things for everyone, causing trouble, fighting etc but they would probably do that anyway without the help of booze. That's life really, not much you can do about it.

[Bungle]

i got thrown out of a local pub on a works Christmas do

a round of drinks were bought and passed around

then one of our group were asked for ID (a 25 year old) and he only had his fireman ID on him

this although having his DOB on was not good enough his drink was taken away from him and we were told to drink up and leave

it would seem being over 18 and having ID is not always good enough to get you a drink

[Juju]

it would seem being over 18 and having ID is not always good enough to get you a drink

You're right. Although they are called Public Houses, it is up to the Licencee's discretion who can drink there. They can set minimum age limits, minimum ID standards, they can refuse you if they don't like the way you are dressed, the way you speak, your height, anything!

[gonzoavfc]

i think part of the problem with teenagers drinking (i'm 19 by the way) is the environment when drinking. i have been going to the football since i was 6 so obviously before and after matches i have been going to the pub, obviously not drinking when im 6 but as i grew older having a few tastes etc. i drink nowadays but i never get smashed off my head, and i put that down to the enviroment i was bought up drinking which my dad describes similar to his 'learning' environment.

in a pub if you drink to much and act like a knob, well you simply get chucked out, and being around other adults who drink responsibly will think your a *melon* if you do that, its not big and its not clever. but if i go the off-license and hang around with kids my own age with no adults to be around, the main idea is to drink as much as possible and act like a *melon*.

if people were bought up to drink in pubs like the good old days i dont think there would be as much as a problem, but obviously its not going to happen, its great being able to go the off license now and pick up some beer if i fancy one and i dont want to loose that

[Matt.P]

Well, i'm 17 and to be honest, i've never really understood the fascination with drink.
After tasting some, I can't think of any alcofrolic drink that actually tastes nice. The alcohol gets in the way of a nice drink for me.
Although, many people my age try to convince me that this simply isn't the idea, it's to drink as much as possible and "enjoy" yourself.
I can enjoy myself without being absolutely plastered, surely this isn't such a bad thing?

So, i'll be sticking to J20, appletiser, Dandelion & Burdock and orange juice - though not at the same time, i've heard it's not good to mix your drinks

I'll get my coat

[mini93]

i never actualy went out before i was 18 we went to the pub but i was always driving so would only have coke anyways so no biggy, we went really just to play pool and darts anyway so nothing sinister, then again that depends on who ever searving but we always went to this one place to play (thinking back now the place was rubbish ha!)
i only went to one or 2 house partys too and then i think they were on the same week when we were working on my friends mini one week in the summer i was 17 haha.
when i was 18 not many my friends were 18 so we only had 3 people out, which was alright in the end, went to a bar which since has turned into my local, i never really liked drink...didnt like beer in the slightest (still dont) but what i did like was jack danials and coke...nothing too stroke though my liver was still alive at that point needless to say i ended up not remembering alot of the evening

iv heard stories of my friends dad getting drunk at pub and having to wake sisters up to be allowed back into the house upon kicking out time, its nothing new but i think the way people drink is different, both generations drink sure...but didnt have things like alcopops to my knowladge (probably wrong haha), so people who back then might have been offput by taste can still drink now by having flavours masked by fruits n stuff. maybe its because a large chunk of the younger gen' seem mouthy, cocky and arrogent...lucky the place i go out to seemy largly exempt from chavs

[mymini007]

I used to work the doors in and around Portsmouth, Clubs, pubs and bars.

I have confiscated fake IDs (in this case a fake driving licence) off people and handed them to the police. The copper rold me so long as the holder was not trying to use it illegally he could have it back, and handed it back to him. Surely trying to gain access to an over 18s nightclub is useing it illegally.

Anyway, we used to ID everyone weather you looked 17 or 45, there are several reasons for this.

1, the obvious age, if you are under 18 you should not be in the club

2, we Know you have got ID on you when you are on the premeseis, if you kick off or cause damage we know you have some form of ID saying who you are, The police liked this policy.

3, If something happens to you, and you get split from your mates, we know who you are.

4, If you get smashed and lose your friends, see above.

5, Location, portsmouth being as it is, we want to know who is in the club, sailors, locals, football fans, if there has been a match on in town and a ship is in we want to know where you are from, if you are a londoner on a west ham match day, why are you here, are you going to cause trouble, do we need to keep an eye.

People who dont like giving ID normally have something to hide, so they would be turned away or if reluctant to shoe ID would be searched.

There are laws around drinking age too. if an 18 year old lad pulls a 15 year old girl in the club, has sex with her and she tries to prosecute the law will favour the lad as the girl should not have been there in the first place.

I have come accross 15, 16, 17 year olds passed out in the toilets because they cant hold there drink, and then we have the parents on our case saying why did you lit her/him in. (its easier for girls with make up etc)

My daughters will be 18 soon enough, they will be able to have alcohol under supevision of the house before they are 18, so they can learn to respect the effects, as i did as a kid. Then when they hit 17 or 18 they are not going to have to go out and get smashed with out telling us, I am sure they will as i have done, but i would hope thay can learn to respect it and know that you dont have to get smashed to have a good time.

On that note.............I am off to the Pub

[Geehawk]

I'm not gonna lie. I drink and have done for a while. I like to go out and get a little plastered. I don't think its all that bad myself. You do get the odd person that has a moan. The way I look at it is Smoking's worse. Loads of people under the legal age smoke yet this never seems to get the same attention as drinking. I know people that have smoked from about 14 at about a pack a day. Thats got to be far worse and a far bigger problem then underage people going out and getting mashed ever so often. I'll be 18 in march so theirs not to long to wait anyway.


One thing I was quite confused about is the other night I was asked for ID to buy a diet coke. I don't get that.

The problem is that if you smoke it does not make you run amok smashing stuff up, getting in fights, and generally behave like a *melon*. The cost of drinking related injuries to the NHS is huge, ignoring the fact that someone in hospital for smoking related illnesses doe not usually abuse the A&E staff. Factor in the cost of insurance etc. CCTV which would not be needed in most places except for drink related crime.

Drink indirectly effects far more people than smoking does.

I dont understand why people feel the need to drink with the sole intention of getting drunk. Bit of a sad life really if thats the most enjoyable thing to do.

[l_jonez]

with regard to fake id recently my little cousin (17) has started going out with one which claims she's 20 her parents wernt really happy with this but they didnt stop her but told her not to get drunk to behave etc etc,

which she did for a few months but then over xmas she got very drunk so the ID was taken off her and her parents took her to several of the club/pubs and introduced her to the door staff and explaind she was 17 and not to let her in again.



also a new pub opened in town which has a 21 and over policy and to be honest the atmosphere is much better and overall seems a better environment to be in.

[adam_93rio]

personally i think its the parents, i was thinking about this watching something on tv last night about yobs etc.
i absolutly hate people who go out getting smashed and cant see the point in it, and when youths are drinking and doing drugs it is just rediculous. if a 15yo lad was giving me lip and i went out n gave him a clip round the earhole id end up having their parents round saying why you hit my kid. they defend their kids for what you have done now rather than give them a good hiding

i remember lads throwing eggs at our house years ago every night for a week, so my mum sat in the window and threw them back. not long after, had the kids parents on the doorstep saying my mum and dad are paying for his jacket etc.
as soon as the guy realised his kid was in the wrong by throwing eggs, he got quite literally thrown out of our garden and made to apologise and clean the windows. if this happened today then we'd probably just end up getting bricks through instead
(well, they wont do owt to me anyway )
it really winds me up the extent that young kids are getting away with

i have never really been one to go out and get smashed because ive never seen the point of it. when friends started to go out drinking etc i found new friends that i could have fun with and kept up skateboarding and only got in fights etc to defend myself or friends
i still dont drink a lot and very rarely get drunk, i always have fun and cant understand how making yourself ill and lose control is considered fun

Edited by adam_93rio, 08 January 2010 - 07:32 PM.

[adam_93rio]

I'm not gonna lie. I drink and have done for a while. I like to go out and get a little plastered. I don't think its all that bad myself. You do get the odd person that has a moan. The way I look at it is Smoking's worse. Loads of people under the legal age smoke yet this never seems to get the same attention as drinking. I know people that have smoked from about 14 at about a pack a day. Thats got to be far worse and a far bigger problem then underage people going out and getting mashed ever so often. I'll be 18 in march so theirs not to long to wait anyway.


One thing I was quite confused about is the other night I was asked for ID to buy a diet coke. I don't get that.

The problem is that if you smoke it does not make you run amok smashing stuff up, getting in fights, and generally behave like a *melon*. The cost of drinking related injuries to the NHS is huge, ignoring the fact that someone in hospital for smoking related illnesses doe not usually abuse the A&E staff. Factor in the cost of insurance etc. CCTV which would not be needed in most places except for drink related crime.

Drink indirectly effects far more people than smoking does.

I dont understand why people feel the need to drink with the sole intention of getting drunk. Bit of a sad life really if thats the most enjoyable thing to do.

if people are putting themselves into that state where they are physically ill, i think they should either be made to pay for their healthcare or not be given any through the nhs at all, if i had a broken bone, why should i have to sit in a waiting room because it is filled with drunken fools who are reaking havoc

[minivanman]

I go out and drink to have a good time, I cant see the point in trying to get so drunk you pass out or spend all night chucking up (though it has happened on occasion - SMD last year being a case in point ) I've always been able to drink what I want at home - within reason - so I wasnt bothered when I turned 18. Also helped that I left school at 16 and was working in an adult environment the whole time. In fact the only time I had to lie about my age was to get onto a lot of job sites - most dont let under 18s on!

[somecrapname]

kids will be kids, im 20 now so im fully legal lol

but a while ago i was talking to some of the older blokes at work (about 60 ish) they had loads of stories about going into the pub at 16 and getting wrecked.
no one cared then so why should we now?

everything is over analyzed now, its all happened before, its nothing new

The thing is, these older blokes got drunk and most likely went home, or down the snooker club or whatever. Now when the 'kids' get p!shed they cause a riot. There are cases where teenagers are able to control themselves, but I think it's down to poor parenting; not about allowing them to drink, but rather not setting any sort of moral standards, or teaching them how to behave 'politely/properly'.

[Black.Ghost]

whats up with kids these days, theres no way i would of let my parents know i had fake id and i was off clubbing

kids now a days are just to honest

PMSL.

I have to agree with a comment made right near the start of this topic - what happens now with regard to underage drinking is no differrent to what has happened for years and years. Our parents did it, and their parents. I have had some gret conversations with my Grandad about his drinking. You also have to bear in mind this was back in a time when drink driving was initially not illegal and then only prosecuted for if you were obviously driving like a drunk.

I personally didn't start drinking until I was 18, but I drink quite a lot now. I go out at least twice a week. Im off skiing next week and can almost guarantee I'll be drunk every night. I have a little sister who start drinking before 18 (she's 18 now) and is a typical youngster with reagrds to drinking - not the trouble making though. My little brother on the other hand hardly drinks at all (he's 16) - and they were bought up exactly the same.

I think you have to be careful with the terms used as well. Binge drinking technically is about 3 pints or something stupid like that. However to me, thats not binge drinking. Binge drinking is also portrayed with some of the worst cases shown on various TV programs. It never shows the people that go out, have a laugh have a dance, a kebab and go home.

Personally, I love drinking - I think one of the reasons I drink a lot is that I genuinely can't find a soft drink that I like the taste of like lager. Also, there is a massive drinking culture in the army anyway.

Having said all of this, I would not be keen to let my own kids out underage drinking. I don't feel great about my 18 year old sister going out in town getting drunk. I know what people are like when they are drunk.