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[Nick '91]

Im worrying about mine luckily however Ive got untill August at which time I was planning on doing some work to my mini anyways so it wont be horrific for anything other then my empty wallet.

Still though every couple of months I try to twist a tester friends arm to just have a check around see if theres any problems.

[Scallywag630]

i dont see why people get so uptight about MOT's, but why do people keep talking about retests??
surely when you go for your test and they fail it, you get all the things on the list fixed. if they missed something the first time then you start to ask why they missed it

also, if your car fails an MOT before the old certificate expires, its illegal to drive it, as the failure notice is a notice to say this car is NOT roadworthy
i suppose if they say its failed because (x) before they book it all in properly then there is no proof of a test and therefore you can be on your way

i know if my car failed a month early, i wouldnt be driving it round until i could get it fixed

Please DO NOT scare people. IT IS NOT ILLEGAL TO DRIVE A CAR WITH AN UNEXPIRED MOT CERTIFICATE whether you have a subsequent failure certificate or not. This is why you can MOT a car one month minus a day before your certificate expires. If your car fails IT IS NOT automatically off the road. THIS INFO IS DIRECT FROM VOSA. This does not mean that if the police finds bald tyres etc you will get away with it.

Edited by Scallywag630, 10 February 2010 - 06:38 PM.

[adam_93rio]

ok for example, my car passes its MOT's a few months down the line it has lets say bald tyres. regardless of it having an MOT it is still illegal to drive a car that is unfit for road use
if it fails an MOT then you know that the vehicle is NOT roadworthy. it is illegal to use a car that is deemed unroadworthy

[Scallywag630]

ok for example, my car passes its MOT's a few months down the line it has lets say bald tyres. regardless of it having an MOT it is still illegal to drive a car that is unfit for road use
if it fails an MOT then you know that the vehicle is NOT roadworthy. it is illegal to use a car that is deemed unroadworthy

The issue is not that the car is roadworthy or not, but will it pass the MOT test. The certificate is valid for a year but only proves the cars was satisfactory for MOT purposes at the time of the test. What is the test of roadworthyness? Let me make the following info perfectly clear.

YOUR CURRENT MOT CERTIFICATE IS VALID UNTIL EXPIRY REGARDLESS OF THE OUTCOME OF ANYOTHER MOT TEST YOU HAVE DONE.

As the moderators ask, please make certain of your facts before posting advice.

[Hughes]

You learn something new every day..!

[adam_93rio]

it IS illegal to drive a car that isnt roadworthy is all i am saying, if it fails an MOT test then that proves it
thats all i said, and anyone knows that it IS a fact that it is against the law to drive a car on the roads that is not deemed fit.
im not saying that the old MOT certificate is invalid, but the fail will still go on the cars record

dont tell me im wrong because you didnt understand what i was trying to get across

Edited by adam_93rio, 10 February 2010 - 07:39 PM.

[davejf]

it IS illegal to drive a car that isnt roadworthy is all i am saying, if it fails an MOT test then that proves it
thats all i said, and anyone knows that it IS a fact that it is against the law to drive a car on the roads that is not deemed fit.
im not saying that the old MOT certificate is invalid, but the fail will still go on the cars record

dont tell me im wrong because you didnt understand what i was trying to get across

I can see where your coming from, eg: if it fails because the brake pads are down to the metal, then it's dangerous to drive, but if it fails it's not necessarily unroadworthy. If it failed on emissions being very slighty over for example, then the car is not suddenly unroadworthy because it failed on this. Also something like a slightly loose wheel bearing, unless its very loose, in which case you would feel it when driving, then again its still a roadworthy car as it's not suddenly going to fall apart if only slightly loose, but still an MOT failure.

[Scallywag630]

it IS illegal to drive a car that isnt roadworthy is all i am saying, if it fails an MOT test then that proves it
thats all i said, and anyone knows that it IS a fact that it is against the law to drive a car on the roads that is not deemed fit.
im not saying that the old MOT certificate is invalid, but the fail will still go on the cars record

dont tell me im wrong because you didnt understand what i was trying to get across

You are trying to say that because a car fails an MOT then it is unroadworthy and hence illegal to drive.......WRONG...If that were the entire case, you would not be allowed to drive the car away from the test. As far as VOSA is concerned, a failure notice does NOT mean the car is unroadworthy and does NOT superceed a valid certificate.

[benb12]

it IS illegal to drive a car that isnt roadworthy is all i am saying, if it fails an MOT test then that proves it
thats all i said, and anyone knows that it IS a fact that it is against the law to drive a car on the roads that is not deemed fit.
im not saying that the old MOT certificate is invalid, but the fail will still go on the cars record

dont tell me im wrong because you didnt understand what i was trying to get across

If you take the test 28 days before the expiry, and it fails and is deemed unroadworthy, why would have it been okay to drive the car to the end of the month to it's expiry date? Really it should make no difference. The point is the MOT is valid until it's expiry date even if it fails prior to it.

[adam_93rio]

i didnt stay outside or in the room at my test station, i was in there with him looking under the car etc, where he said things were wrong he would show me so i knew what he meant, eg. one of the balljoints was a bit too loose, so he showed me how he came to that conclusion

i dont get why people have taken the car back for more than one retest, surely you fixed what was wrong with it before taking it back

[davejf]

it IS illegal to drive a car that isnt roadworthy is all i am saying, if it fails an MOT test then that proves it
thats all i said, and anyone knows that it IS a fact that it is against the law to drive a car on the roads that is not deemed fit.
im not saying that the old MOT certificate is invalid, but the fail will still go on the cars record

dont tell me im wrong because you didnt understand what i was trying to get across

If you take the test 28 days before the expiry, and it fails and is deemed unroadworthy, why would have it been okay to drive the car to the end of the month to it's expiry date? Really it should make no difference. The point is the MOT is valid until it's expiry date even if it fails prior to it.

Not so. If it is dangerous as opposed to unroadworthy, then the MOT tester can stop you removing the vehicle it would seem.

See this.

http://www.traffic-a...hp?topic=6663.0

Which would make sense, see post 5

[adam_93rio]

it IS illegal to drive a car that isnt roadworthy is all i am saying, if it fails an MOT test then that proves it
thats all i said, and anyone knows that it IS a fact that it is against the law to drive a car on the roads that is not deemed fit.
im not saying that the old MOT certificate is invalid, but the fail will still go on the cars record

dont tell me im wrong because you didnt understand what i was trying to get across

If you take the test 28 days before the expiry, and it fails and is deemed unroadworthy, why would have it been okay to drive the car to the end of the month to it's expiry date? Really it should make no difference. The point is the MOT is valid until it's expiry date even if it fails prior to it.

sorry perhaps i worded what i was trying to say wrongly, it wouldnt be right to be driving a car that cant pass an MOT
what i am trying to say is that if a car is unable to pass an MOT for whatever reason why would you be driving it?
for it to fail an MOT it has to be something that means the car isnt allowed on the road, even if not dangerous

i wasnt saying that its illegal to drive because its failed an MOT, im saying it SHOULD be illegal to drive as it has been deemed unfit for the road

[minidaves]

dont know why, if the car is maintained properly and serviced correctly not just oil change and plugs then it should go through a mot with no issues, maintance is better than cure, and I am afraid it either takes a little time or of course you pay for a a garage to do the job properly. If you are unlucky and your car or mini fails the mot is should not be pages it should be at max a couple of items that have been overlooked or worn. Then because you car is maintained better it will drive better use less fuel and cost less in the long run so in the end you win. And of course it will proberly be worth more money because it will be kept to a better standard too.

dave

[adam_93rio]

to be honest i think the most likely thing for a mini to fail on is emissions,
but its mostly things that are hard to notice, until you can get under the car properly like the tester can in a pit where you are concentrating more on looking at the car and not worrying about what your laying on lol

or whos going to nick your shoes!

[Scallywag630]

to be honest i think the most likely thing for a mini to fail on is emissions,
but its mostly things that are hard to notice, until you can get under the car properly like the tester can in a pit where you are concentrating more on looking at the car and not worrying about what your laying on lol

or whos going to nick your shoes!

I totally agree with you, which is why Minidaves advice is so apt. Prevention is far better, and usually cheaper, than cure.

Can't get over a mental picture of someone under a Mini, inspecting what they are lying in, with their shoes off....Lol