48 replies to this topic

[Bungle]

I bet you at least 80% of people who fit flip fronts don't ring up VOSA and get it checked.

If its professionally done then I can't see a problem and as camp Freddy points out all minis are over 10 years old anyway

Every bloody thread now we see 'Woop Woop get VOSA to check your new wheels they look wrong' its very boring and insults peoples intelligence

i bet 100% of bank robbers don't ring the police, i guess that makes it ok to rob banks using you logic

the donor car was over 10 years old the new car you created is a new car and needs registering

[conlad]

Bungle read Sam Walters' comment on the bottom of the previous page..

His passed no problems so I presume that's why lots of others don't bother with this check because nothings wrong

[conlad]

I'm not getting into any debate. I'm bored of seeing bloody IVA and SVA or whatever everywhere haha

[Bungle]

as long as your happy to stand up in court with the only defence of "he said it was all right" and think your going to win then go for it

[conlad]

It's not me in court because it's not me fitting a flip front

Sam Walters said he fitted one and they never pulled him up on it, that's his first hand experience

[Sam Walters]

I would like that idiot from VOSA to be made to drive a Mini with just the front teardrop mounts removed. No need to even cut the monocoque. The first rapid takeoff will cause both toeboard mounts to de-bond, and from then on it is rapidly downhill until the bulkhead crossmember fails.

Go take a look at some crashed mini`s, the outer and inner wings do nothing.

I don`t have a cage in my car. I don`t have front teardrop mounts. The sub frame is solid mounted on the towers and the rear mount.

I guess you don`t class side stepping the clutch at 5000rpm to be a rapid take off? 3 years of abuse and its perfectly fine.

But ill let you know when my bulkhead fails. Although i put money on it the rust gremlins will get to it first before your theory.

[Minidarren83]

Oh god here we go again I'm sure I've seen this somewhere before and when I did see it before there was a member of vosa included in that thread and he/she confirmed that the inner wings of a mini do not represent a structural part of the car and as so replacing them with with stronger material ie box/tube section was more than adequate and the response that they got from that was "we'll there an idiot" it may well be the case that they are an idiot but they work for the organisation that determines whether our vehicles are safe for use on the road. So if word from the horses mouth is not good enough to stop the "oh you will need an iva for that" what will? In the history of minis how many have been pulled off the road and declared not fit for use requiring and iva? Nil none zilch zero Nara if that was the case there would now be some sort of law against the removal of inner wings or at least people would be failing mot's for it but the fact is they are not so just leave it now and let people do as they wish so long as your cars are on "the right side" of the law and you are happy about that then sush!!!

oh and just to add my car will have steel flip front just if you were wondering

End rant peace out

[Bungle]

it wasn't about being a structural part of the car mr VOSA was on about its the car identity

vosa deem a mini as the whole body excluding the front outer wings and front panel

if you modify any other part of the shell it them becomes a different car, a new car that then needs registering like a new kit car would

the structural part is something the MOT man might pick up

[Minidarren83]

So lets run throught this the mot man is not at all concerned with the identity issue of the vehicle only that it is structurally safe and fit for use on the roads which with correct bracing of the front subframe it passes so we can leave the subject of it being unsafe ect behind. And now secondly mr vosa will deem the car as not being the same car if the shell has been radically modified but in the real world removing the front portion of the inner wings does not cause them enough of a concern to start chasing down and testing mini owners that have done this, so if this is not on the top of the vosa list of things to do why is it on yours?

We all get what the law or rules state so there is no need for people to keep going on about it there are plenty of laws and rules we all fall fowl of or don't even know they are there.

In summary removing the front portion of the inner wing in some people's interpretation of the law is wrong and that is only by a law or ruling that is not enforced by mot standards or by possitive vosa inspections only by people like yourself who seam it their duty to do so and unless you are a member of vosa (if you are I apologise lol) I think I speak on behalf if the masses enough is enough we get how you feel about it

Sorry if this has been long winded

[Bungle]

the MOT man is concerned with the identity issue, if you turned up with a blue landrover disco but the vin number and reg went with a yellow bubble car he wouldn't go any further

if you cut the front off your mini and replace the subframe, engine and running gear with a metro's, then stick a mini shaped fibreglass front over the top i think he would be happy as long as the work was done well and looked strong

removing the inner wings is something Mr VOSA considers altering the mini so it's no longer a mini, yes you are correct in thinking no one has come un stuck for this despite these rules being in place for more than 30 years

so far Mr VOSA is happy finding old landrovers with range rover under pinnings (and there have been a few public cases of this) but there isn't anything to say mini owners aren't next on their hit list

after all we do talk about what we are doing to our minis on a public forum for anyone to see, we then post up pictures of our cars showing the mods + our reg numbers. We then tell the world what show we are going to so we are easy to find

i bet i could go into readers rides and easy find 5 cars that have been modified too far and if i can do this why can't Mr VOSA ?

i don't care what mini owners do to their cars as long as they know what they are doing is wrong and there is a chance they could come unstuck, even if it's a very slim chance

what i don't like is forum members giving out false information and i haven't been caught yet so it must be right gang

i'm constantly told everyone knows this but luckily you are here today to prove them wrong, hopefully you now know what it's all about and can make a informed choice before modifying your mini

Edited by Bungle, 27 November 2012 - 04:10 PM.

[Minidarren83]

Lets draw a line under this subject yes it is a law as it stands it is not enforced or half our cars would not be here and if by some spout of bad luck you was caught out although its unclear who wants to catch you out, your car would not be crushed taken away from you ect the most you would need to do is weld on new inner wing ends to bring it back withon the law yes they may make you leave your vehicle with them but its not getting crushed they don't just crush cars just have it recovered and this is only by some sort of off chance this would ever happen

There are lots of laws on this country that are not enforced like it is illegal to eat mince pies on Christmas Day and now I have told you that will you stop eating them? No you won't SO THERE IS NO POINT EVEN SAYING IT telling people what may happen is pointless A its not your job to do so B it's never hapoened. If it does start happening please feel free to come on here and laugh at us all and warn future owners of the doom they face

[Bungle]

i don't like mince pies

[Minidarren83]

Me neither who puts fruit in a pie and calls it mince very disappointed the first time I tried one

Good debate mr bungle

[Bungle]

at least we agree on something

[Carlos W]

It is illegal to eat mince pies on Christmas Day

I agree, mince is either beef or lamb or pork, and one of those sounds like a great snack on Christmas day.

The question is, are they talking about fruit mince or meat mince?