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#16 daveholman

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Posted 05 August 2010 - 12:18 PM

thanks for all the advice!!

So my list now is:

Spot Lights (Hella Rallye 2000s do?)
Uprated Bulbs for headlamps - Can anyone recommend a good bright option?
Sump Guard
Double Throttle Return Spring (what is this? :D )
Possibly a Roll Cage
A clear Speaking navigator!!

Thanks for all the help, I think as it is my first attempt I'll just treat it as a Sunday drive!!


EDIT: Oh and if anyone wants to know - its the Morecambe Club Rally. :)


Ah, Morecambe, where I started. Double return throttle spring is basically a second spring on the throttle which helps it return to closed should there be an issue i.e. the first spring snaps or you crash. I know this was needed when I used to do it and am assuming it still is but check the MSA Blue Book for all requirements. I'm assuming you have a MSA license now and as such should have recieved this book with it. Please make sure that your car complies with this completely as they will not let you compete if you don't and there's nothing worse than turning up to an event fully prepared and ready and not making it through scrutineering.

A good navigator is a must, someone you trust because inevitably they will pretty much be responsible for your well-being as you will for theirs. They don't have to be massively experienced in rallies but good map reading skills are key. My navigator was a girl who had been in the sea cadets. No rally experience but she was one of my best friends and could read maps really well.

Spot lights? As it's your first event, don't dwell on it too much, just get some decent ones, if you can borrow them even better. This event will help you massively as you'll be able to evaluate things like this and decide whether to change or keep it for the next event.

You've got the right mindset treating as a Sunday drive. Just make sure you get the car back in one piece and you'll be happy. You will probably get lost at some point and will have to stop and sort it out, don't worry, just try and enjoy it. Our first event set off from Myerscough College and ended at the Truck stop just off the M6 near Carnforth. We were in the novice group with a 309GTi and a 205GTi so we were never going to trouble them in a 1.0 Mini City but we had a laugh and got there in the end. We actually racked up a fairly impressive finish considering. We were last but we weren't that far behind everyone else. We went upward from there and, whilst I stopped doing it a few years later, my navigator now does proper stage rallies with a number of different drivers and it has become a major part of her life, she met her boyfriend through it and most of her friends through it.

Sorry, noob question! What does this actually involve? Are these 'races' on public roads? What's the objectives? Sounds interesting!


They are not races as such. They are basically an navigation exercise on public roads. You are given a list of coordinates which relate to the location of a series of boards which have numbers or letters on and each team has to find the quickest route between them. The roads are all open and as such cars must be road legal and all speed limits adhered to. I have heard tales of police doing speed checks along rally routes and people have actually been done for speeding on them.

The 'objective' is to note down the code on each board and arrive at the finish point in a given time. This time is set by a test crew who drive the route basically at the speed limit and therefore this should be the minimum time it'll take, any less than this and you'll be penalised, any more and obviously you are not as fast as everyone else. It's a test of driving skill as well as navigating and observation, I know the organisers of the ones we did used to put the boards in some really odd places.

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Posted 05 August 2010 - 02:33 PM

Yep got myself a navigator! Although hes more worried about me killing him at the moment! Doesn't look like that will be too much of a problem then!!

Well, the guy running the show has told me that I can apply for an MSA competition licence on the night, but I have had a quick look at the online 'Blue book' and I can't see any mention of the double spring!!

@GraemeC - will you be there?? Would be nice to see another mini and someone with experience in such matters!!

One of the stages always gos past my house, so I'm pretty sure I can blast that one, as no-one knows that road like me!! 1.0 or not I'll make up some time on that road!!

The Whites - yes this is my big worry and the reason why I want a sump guard so badly!!

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Posted 05 August 2010 - 02:44 PM

Not doing the Morecambe, but I am doing the Devil's during the Saturday day so I might be around at the start of the night rally.

Yes you can apply for you non-race Nat.B licence on the night and that will suffice, just remember some cash or cheque (I doubt Dan will take cards!)
There si a thread about the rally over on the British Rally Forum, some very good local crews entered:
http://www.britishra...o...f=6&t=33400

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Posted 05 August 2010 - 02:57 PM

Yep got myself a navigator! Although hes more worried about me killing him at the moment! Doesn't look like that will be too much of a problem then!!

Well, the guy running the show has told me that I can apply for an MSA competition licence on the night, but I have had a quick look at the online 'Blue book' and I can't see any mention of the double spring!!

@GraemeC - will you be there?? Would be nice to see another mini and someone with experience in such matters!!

One of the stages always gos past my house, so I'm pretty sure I can blast that one, as no-one knows that road like me!! 1.0 or not I'll make up some time on that road!!

The Whites - yes this is my big worry and the reason why I want a sump guard so badly!!


I may not be a requirement then. I remember there were two issues prior to our first rally. The roof as I mentioned in an earlier post and the spring on the throttle return was the other. To be fair it was ten years ago and my memory is hazy at best so I may be completely wrong though. Another thing to note is that your car needs to be road legal i.e. insured, taxed and MOTed. So any alterations you make must be declared to the insurance company.

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Posted 05 August 2010 - 03:27 PM

Look at ring rally giant spotlights. They're 7" in diameter and fit onto the standard late mini cooper brackets like this: Link

They're pretty cheap too mine were about £25 off ebay and you can get a wiring kit for about £8 from car builder solutions.

I love mine, work great at night on the lanes and give much better light than just high beams.

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Posted 05 August 2010 - 04:41 PM

Not doing the Morecambe, but I am doing the Devil's during the Saturday day so I might be around at the start of the night rally.

Yes you can apply for you non-race Nat.B licence on the night and that will suffice, just remember some cash or cheque (I doubt Dan will take cards!)
There si a thread about the rally over on the British Rally Forum, some very good local crews entered:
http://www.britishra...o...f=6&t=33400


Hi GraemeC im trying to register on the site but no matter what email i use it says "The e-mail address you entered is not allowed to be used."
do you have any advice? or contact info to admin on their forum?

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Posted 05 August 2010 - 05:44 PM

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Posted 12 August 2010 - 06:43 PM

Good luck (both of you) I'll be trying to get to one or both of the events to watch abit, will watch out for you.

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Posted 13 August 2010 - 06:32 AM

The daytime event, The Devil's Own, has been cancelled due to lack of entries. The night event is still going with a full field, but first car isn't off until 23:45 :D I'm not sure if they are planning on issuing any spectator information for the night event either.

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Posted 13 August 2010 - 01:42 PM

The daytime event, The Devil's Own, has been cancelled due to lack of entries. The night event is still going with a full field, but first car isn't off until 23:45 :o I'm not sure if they are planning on issuing any spectator information for the night event either.



Yeah thanks, just found out the devils had been cancelled. although 23:45 is well past my bed time ;) ill come up and have a nosy at the start and see if any infos given out for spectators.

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Posted 13 August 2010 - 01:58 PM

I'm soo excited right now!! Still got my car at a Rally Specialist garage in the White Lund whos working on the number1 car - the Impreza. THey're just wiring up my spots for me (I had a go but I thought I'd do more damage than good!!) and covering up my underbody. My brother will be sitting on a wall waving a flag and making sure all the gates are open on our road - as in the past few days we've had some trouble with out neighbour who likes to shut the gate across the road when he gets angry!

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Posted 13 August 2010 - 03:28 PM

Well Good Luck for the event - I am going to try and get to the start myself to see a few mates off.
I'm sure John at Lune Valley Motors will sort your car out well.

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Posted 13 August 2010 - 05:46 PM

Yep he has done!! All set to go except for a few major things!!

Am about to make an EMERGENCY thread, but here I go for starters.

1. I have to have a Double Spring Return for the throttle, any ideas where I can get one and how to fit it tomorrow??

2. The bonnet keeps popping up, how do I tighten up the catch?

3. People keep telling me about wrapping yellow tape around a certain battery wire. Can anyone help with explaining this?

4. I have just got some old OMP three point harnesses from John (for £20 - bargain!), but first I have to put them together, I've got some pics of them if it helps. Also, how do I attach them?

5. The bucket seats that I have are recliners, and to pass scrutineering I have been told to disable the reclining mechanism...any ideas?

I'll probably think of something else in a sec, but here are a few pics to help with helping.

Thanks a lot, any help greatly appreciated.

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Posted 13 August 2010 - 09:22 PM

1. I have to have a Double Spring Return for the throttle, any ideas where I can get one and how to fit it tomorrow??
I believe this is a common misconception - I will check my blue book but I'm sure you don't need two springs. Unfortunately most scrutineers believe the misconception >_<

2. The bonnet keeps popping up, how do I tighten up the catch?
I think you will need to adjust the lenth of the main pin - it has a lock nut at its base and a slotted in the head for a screw driver. It probably wants lengthening slightly.

3. People keep telling me about wrapping yellow tape around a certain battery wire. Can anyone help with explaining this?
The earth cable must be easily identifiable by marking either end with yellow tape. Just wrap some yellow insulation tape round the cable at each end.

4. I have just got some old OMP three point harnesses from John (for £20 - bargain!), but first I have to put them together, I've got some pics of them if it helps. Also, how do I attach them?
It looks to me like there may be a buckle missing from the rear strap

5. The bucket seats that I have are recliners, and to pass scrutineering I have been told to disable the reclining mechanism...any ideas?
I don't see why you would need to diable the mechanism, as long as the seat is secure and won't recline with a good wiggle it should be fine - a standard seat is OK for a road rally.

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Posted 13 August 2010 - 09:42 PM

OK, throttle springs:

MSA Blue Book paragraph J5.4.2 states:
"Be equipped with a positive method of throttle closing by means of an external spring/springs so that in the event of failure of any part of the throttle linkage the throttle(s) are sprung closed."

Personally I believe a single external spring on an SU carb performs this function, especially if it a HIF carb with the srpng acting directly on the butterfly spindle. Others disagree but then it does depend on what is classed as "the linkage".
At the end of the day, it isn't nicknamed the 'Blur Book' for nothing >_<




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