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[Broomer]

to the guy above...

you can do a docterette in engineering through open uni/ distance. i start my hnc next year in electrical engineering.

also, depending on what trade your in, the money bit isnt true.. i cleared a fair wack last year (30k +) working as an apprentice electrician contracting through my own ltd company.. just depends on what your doing tho i suppose?

Im also just finishing my second year of HNC mechanical this year, and if i want i can continue with a HND at a uni. Uni gets you the papers, but it doesnt get you the experience, which is alot of managers are looking for.

[sonikk4]

yeah that's a problem but come out of uni with some good qualifications and get a job with a good wage work your way up to a high wage

or

get a aprenteship get paid 100/200 £ a week then get a job on a low wage and if you ever want to find another job people want degrees now its a hard truth

Sorry that is not strictly true, yes you won't be earning a huge amount of money as an appo, Virgin appos start on £11k then increase yearly. When they finish and are taken on they will be earning roughly £22k to £25k with shift pay then increasing after that depending on ability.
They however will not be racking up huge debts as they go and hopefully will be managing their money that they are earning. They will probably stand a better chance of a job at the end of their training as well.

Having a degree is not the be all and end all of qualifications. The market is now flooded with degree level people some with good degrees and others on mickey mouse degrees. Money wise they still have to start at the bottom of the totem pole and even then there is no guarentee of a really good wage. Companies are now looking at a 2.1 as a minimum level of qualification and even that is sometimes not enough.

There are not enough apprenticeships going in this country and this is the reason why there is a shortage of skilled engineers and virtually no engineering production. That i am afraid is a fact, there are only so many degree based jobs available and there are too may people trying for them.

I have worked with degree trained engineers very good at talking the job but absolutely no hand skills. If we keep going at this rate the skilled mechanic/engineer will be a dying breed.

Do not belittle apprenticeships they are needed, if people choose to go that route so be it. If you want to go the degree route then good luck but take a good degree in engineering or something along those lines. Yes there is good money to be earned but there a lot of people going for the same job so good luck.

[Jacko-lah]

hey man if your doing a levels go to uni and study automotive or aerospace dont waste your time on a apprentiship if youve got the alevels

Yeah, rack up some massive debt instead of getting paid.

University isn't for all, and too many kids are pushed, by schools and parents into it without looking and understanding other options.

I went to a good polytechnic and studied Manufacturing Engineering, and it's given me a stable career, but I know that If I'd have done a car body work apprenticeship I'd have been happier in the long term.

As far as technical apprenticeships in aerospace, what about Rolls Royce, in DERBY, Bristol, Nottingham, Sudderland, Glasgow, and Warrington

[George929]

what im saying is if you have a levels which you get UCAS points from for uni

and if you want to do an "appo" he should have done it b4 his A levels all it means is he has wasted his 2 years at sixth form doing a levels to earn UCAS point that hes no going to use after an appo

[Mini Adam]

yeah that's a problem but come out of uni with some good qualifications and get a job with a good wage work your way up to a high wage

or

get a aprenteship get paid 100/200 £ a week then get a job on a low wage and if you ever want to find another job people want degrees now its a hard truth

I assume that was meant to read:
Come out of uni with a qualification the same as everybody else with the prospect of getting a good job however unlikely for the first few years due to the current situation this country is in.

or

Get an apprenticeship that pays roughly £200 a week, and also pays for me to do day release at a university so I am studying for a degree at the same with added benefits such as health care or paid travel etc. knowing you will almost definitely have a job when you finish, along with a degree and no debt.

No brainer to me

what im saying is if you have a levels which you get UCAS points from for uni

and if you want to do an "appo" he should have done it b4 his A levels all it means is he has wasted his 2 years at sixth form doing a levels to earn UCAS point that hes no going to use after an appo

All the apprencticeships I've applied for require A Levels (naturally, if I want to get a degree) so I wouldn't say it's a waste. Had I not have done A Levels I would have been applying to much lower grade apprenticeships to what I have.
I have applied to AirBus now too
Got selected for the next round for Rolls Royce.
Lets see what happens. Will check out ATC lasham

Edited by Mini Adam, 12 January 2011 - 08:50 PM.

[sonikk4]

British Airways are now looking at taking 90 apprentices this year so give them a shout. So why are taking A levels a waste if you go the apprentice route??? That is a rubbish statement to make, so after applying for various apprenticeship schemes you decide that its not the thing for you then at least you have the chance and the qualifications to try for something else.

Pretty much the same for taking a degree, it might be all sweetness and light the first or second year then bang it gets so hard you have to drop out or possibly something comes up that forces you to drop out, at least you have got A levels to fall back on.

Each to their own i say do not belittle other peoples decisions.

[Mini Adam]

Ah cheers will have a look at them now

[998dave]

I believe BAE are closing their site in Warton / Lytham, so be careful with them.

Being in Essex, have you considered Ford, tech centre in Dunton, and one of the biggest tech centres and training centres in Dagenham?

I think I posted about the apprenticeship scheme in here a few months back.

Dave

[Jacko-lah]

Tried http://www.apprenticeships.org.uk?

Yeah but I found it to be pretty confusing :/

YOU Failed the first test so it's off to McD's for you !!!

Actually it's a fairly confusing website, and the search function isn't great, but there are 1000's of engineering apprenticeships listed, so it's a case of trawling through.

You could also try http://www.google.co...wTmFJCd-56NvN9g

[Mini Adam]

Tried http://www.apprenticeships.org.uk?

Yeah but I found it to be pretty confusing :/

YOU Failed the first test so it's off to McD's for you !!!

Actually it's a fairly confusing website, and the search function isn't great, but there are 1000's of engineering apprenticeships listed, so it's a case of trawling through.

You could also try http://www.google.co...wTmFJCd-56NvN9g

Oh man really? Ah well, I tried

Yeah that's what I was finding difficult, it seemed a case of 'look through everything as our search bar is rubbish'
I'm on that now so I'll have a look. I just need to apply to as many as possible.

Has anyone on here gone the same route as what I inted on doing? Or thinking about it?

[Mini Adam]

I believe BAE are closing their site in Warton / Lytham, so be careful with them.

Being in Essex, have you considered Ford, tech centre in Dunton, and one of the biggest tech centres and training centres in Dagenham?

I think I posted about the apprenticeship scheme in here a few months back.

Dave

Well I didn't get accepted to BAE anyway as I don't take A Level English, which I found an odd requirement for an engineering apprenticeship?

Yes I have applied for ford and got through the first stage

Oh did you? Possible link?

[998dave]

What was the first stage, and do you know what's next?
It's a good apprenticeship down at CEME.

I posted in this General Chat forum, last summer I think.

[samperks]

I assume that was meant to read:
Come out of uni with a qualification the same as everybody else with the prospect of getting a good job however unlikely for the first few years due to the current situation this country is in.

or

Get an apprenticeship that pays roughly £200 a week, and also pays for me to do day release at a university so I am studying for a degree at the same with added benefits such as health care or paid travel etc. knowing you will almost definitely have a job when you finish, along with a degree and no debt.

All the apprencticeships I've applied for require A Levels (naturally, if I want to get a degree) so I wouldn't say it's a waste. Had I not have done A Levels I would have been applying to much lower grade apprenticeships to what I have.
I have applied to AirBus now too
Got selected for the next round for Rolls Royce.
Lets see what happens. Will check out ATC lasham

good on you mate, i did 6th form for 2 years aswell and ive not got an apprentership as a trainee management in construction working in the buying office. They pay for my uni HNC one day a week.
fair enough im on only 14.5k a year (for my first job ever) but thats what some of my mates have in debt from uni already! plus once ive finished this then hopefully ill get onto a degree level course part time over 4 years. so dont knock "appos" as in the long run ill end up with the same level degree as my mates and hopefully of climbed the ladder a bit and had the work experience that companies are looking for without the debt.
my cousin has just come out of uni with a masters in nutrition and has been at uni for 4-5 years now and for the last 6 months shes been working in clintons cards. as you can imagine it aint gonna pay back that loan very quickly.

[Mini Adam]

What was the first stage, and do you know what's next?
It's a good apprenticeship down at CEME.

I posted in this General Chat forum, last summer I think.

In which case I'll do a search and see if i can find out anything
The first stage was them simply accepting my application and me meeting all the requirements. I am not sure what's next.

I assume that was meant to read:
Come out of uni with a qualification the same as everybody else with the prospect of getting a good job however unlikely for the first few years due to the current situation this country is in.

or

Get an apprenticeship that pays roughly £200 a week, and also pays for me to do day release at a university so I am studying for a degree at the same with added benefits such as health care or paid travel etc. knowing you will almost definitely have a job when you finish, along with a degree and no debt.

All the apprencticeships I've applied for require A Levels (naturally, if I want to get a degree) so I wouldn't say it's a waste. Had I not have done A Levels I would have been applying to much lower grade apprenticeships to what I have.
I have applied to AirBus now too
Got selected for the next round for Rolls Royce.
Lets see what happens. Will check out ATC lasham

good on you mate, i did 6th form for 2 years aswell and ive not got an apprentership as a trainee management in construction working in the buying office. They pay for my uni HNC one day a week.
fair enough im on only 14.5k a year (for my first job ever) but thats what some of my mates have in debt from uni already! plus once ive finished this then hopefully ill get onto a degree level course part time over 4 years. so dont knock "appos" as in the long run ill end up with the same level degree as my mates and hopefully of climbed the ladder a bit and had the work experience that companies are looking for without the debt.
my cousin has just come out of uni with a masters in nutrition and has been at uni for 4-5 years now and for the last 6 months shes been working in clintons cards. as you can imagine it aint gonna pay back that loan very quickly.

That's the problem, yes you come out of uni with a degree, but unless you're lucky it's very unlikely to come out of uni and straight into a job that you've been studying for. Hence why I don't really see it as a very good option

[Mini Adam]

Okay I just found the thread regarding ford apprenticeships, do you know when they are opening applications for this year? As it seems different to the one I've applied for with them? :/
Thanks
Adam