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[afoggo]

the chance to drive a jag xf at 17 he'll be expecting an merc s55 amg for his 21st

as stated in previous post on the threads youve made, i pay for my car, maintenance, insurance etc etc and it makes me respect it much more than just a car...

but im not going to lie im pretty jealous that i cant drive my dads saab 93 at 20 never mind a jag xf at 17!

[wolfie]

its only a mondeo really isnt it......and their values go down faster than a Taiwanese lady boy..........Mr Clarkson told me........


at least the minis go up in value

No
The x type uses a mondeo floor pan and running gear both the mondeo and the x type are fwd bar the 3.0 petrol thats awd, the xf is a different animal it replaces the s type and uses the v8 petrol or v6 twin turbo diesel that originally came out in the s type, and 25k??? you will be lucky to get change from 32k for a base model new although it will only be worth half that in 3 years.

[E.L.M.O]

The trouble is, I will admit that experience can also be a downfall.
Its easy once you have been driving for so many years and done so many miles to become complacent and again over confident. I think we should ALL pay more attention on the roads, new and seasoned drivers!

But I still stand by the fact that I think you should have to pay your dues and have x amount of experience AND clean driving history before you are allowed near a vehicle with x amount of performance.

[mini93]

have x amount of experience AND clean driving history before you are allowed near a vehicle with x amount of performance.

i think that would lead to far more scams or alike, run off's, massive long drawn out insurance claims when its blatently a certain persons fault just so they can get their car they fancy

[wolfie]

All this rubbish about being 17 and good driver ........... and all this rubbish about being old and a good driver has made me laugh!

Its surprising how many cars i pick out of ditches trees fields and gardens where the drivers say "dont know how that happened i just lost control" and "i am such a good driver" in my experiance its the ones that think there good that are pretty poor, people who thing there the dogs behind the wheel will never learn and never actually be good drivers there to perfect and dont make mistakes to learn from.

Every time you drive you learn something about driving, obviously that does not apply to the "perfect" motorists on here.

Edited by wolfie, 27 January 2011 - 11:08 PM.

[Jacko-lah]

You must really hate your 17yr old kid to let them loose in something that quick.

A guy on my degree course back in the 1980's was sponsored by Peugueot Talbot in Coventry, where they made the 309 including the 309 GTi. Were they about 150 BHP ? One of the Graduates he was working with, borrowed one for the weekend and died at high speed. Too much power for a 21 year old.

[mini93]

150 bhp too much for a 21Yo....no dont be daft... im 22 and driving different cars every day for work and some more powerful, some less.... its not like my body sit in a car...whoa there boy 150 bhp? im gona BIN it

[Jacko-lah]

The trouble is, I will admit that experience can also be a downfall.
Its easy once you have been driving for so many years and done so many miles to become complacent and again over confident. I think we should ALL pay more attention on the roads, new and seasoned drivers!

But I still stand by the fact that I think you should have to pay your dues and have x amount of experience AND clean driving history before you are allowed near a vehicle with x amount of performance.

I'm not so sure. I learnt to ride motorbikes, on a moped. There is only one way to ride a moped - flat out (flat on the tank to stop the wind resistance), later I passed my bike test on a 125 and then bought a Z500. Unfortunately I spent alot of time with the front wheel up in the air, because I'd learnt on a moped.

[conrad]

You must really hate your 17yr old kid to let them loose in something that quick.

A guy on my degree course back in the 1980's was sponsored by Peugueot Talbot in Coventry, where they made the 309 including the 309 GTi. Were they about 150 BHP ? One of the Graduates he was working with, borrowed one for the weekend and died at high speed. Too much power for a 21 year old.

*too much power for that 21 year old.

Not saying that 21 year olds can handle that power, but i do believe there are many things people are forgetting. Situation, Circumstance and The Individual to name a few.

There is no one who can judge is a "good" driver. You simply could be in the wrong place at the wrong time.

You could crash at 70mph and die. That doesn't take a high powered car.

[E.L.M.O]

The trouble is, I will admit that experience can also be a downfall.
Its easy once you have been driving for so many years and done so many miles to become complacent and again over confident. I think we should ALL pay more attention on the roads, new and seasoned drivers!

But I still stand by the fact that I think you should have to pay your dues and have x amount of experience AND clean driving history before you are allowed near a vehicle with x amount of performance.

I'm not so sure. I learnt to ride motorbikes, on a moped. There is only one way to ride a moped - flat out (flat on the tank to stop the wind resistance), later I passed my bike test on a 125 and then bought a Z500. Unfortunately I spent alot of time with the front wheel up in the air, because I'd learnt on a moped.

..... Sorry man but theres also a point where common sense comes into play also. Plus I disagree strongly. I rode a AR50 when young and full throttle is not the only way to ride. To say something like that in a conversation like this I dont think will earn you any credibility. Thats pretty immature and irrisponsible talk, and I really mean no offence what so ever, its just my opinion.
However, I bet the time on the moped did teach you a lot more than you perhaps realize or give yourself credit for? How many mid life crisis (typically men) buy 600cc sports bikes who have either never ridden, or haven't ridden in 30+years and kill themselves due to in experience? I bet if they were made to ride a moped first a large majority wouldn't have died. (and the rest may not have bothered!) Point is experience and common sense are everything.

have x amount of experience AND clean driving history before you are allowed near a vehicle with x amount of performance.

i think that would lead to far more scams or alike, run off's, massive long drawn out insurance claims when its blatently a certain persons fault just so they can get their car they fancy

Yeah that is an issue, maybe just a set time of driving then say 5 years if "clean driving" would be to difficult to implement and police..?
Theres enough run offs at the moment, we certainly dont need more!

All this rubbish about being 17 and good driver ........... and all this rubbish about being old and a good driver has made me laugh!

Its surprising how many cars i pick out of ditches trees fields and gardens where the drivers say "dont know how that happened i just lost control" and "i am such a good driver" in my experiance its the ones that think there good that are pretty poor, people who thing there the dogs behind the wheel will never learn and never actually be good drivers there to perfect and dont make mistakes to learn from.

Every time you drive you learn something about driving, obviously that does not apply to the "perfect" motorists on here.

Totally agree
Ive been driving for a fair few years like I said (clean driving as well) and I am certainly not gods gift to the road. I do feel more in control of a car than I did when I was a new driver, but at times I do feel like I have been complacent, and not been as aware as I should have been. (how many people out there have arrived at a destination they have driven for years and not actually remembered driving the route?! its just complacency and routine that I think add to experienced driver accidents, as opposed to inexperience for new drivers. Both just as deadly.)

And all this talk about "young drivers" I think is wrong.
(I do agree that "young" people do tend to obviously be slightly more immature which can affect your diving technique) but its not really "young" drivers were talking about is it? Even though this guy is young, its not his age thats under scrutiny, its his experience. Someone could be 40years old and only driving for 1 week. They could pose as much of a danger as a 17year old (But again I do think because of the possibility of the maturity side of things the 17yr old "may" be slightly more at risk. but this is more based on the person than the age. One of my best mates is 43 and one of the most immature people Ive ever met!)
So, experience is what I am getting at, not age.

Edited by E.L.M.O, 27 January 2011 - 11:40 PM.

[wolfie]

I belive statistically (someone may be bothered to search the interweb and clarify but i am going to bed) 17-18 years old regardless of gender are twice as likely to crash than someone in there 30's, people think that passing there test makes them a good driver when actually you only learn to drive after you have passed your test, the ability to identify that your not perfect behind the wheel goes a long way and personally i think the attutide towards driving between a 17 year old and a 30 year old plays a big part even if they have the same experiance.

[E.L.M.O]

I belive statistically (someone may be bothered to search the interweb and clarify but i am going to bed) 17-18 years old regardless of gender are twice as likely to crash than someone in there 30's, people think that passing there test makes them a good driver when actually you only learn to drive after you have passed your test, the ability to identify that your not perfect behind the wheel goes a long way and personally i think the attutide towards driving between a 17 year old and a 30 year old plays a big part even if they have the same experiance.

Really agree with the later part of that statement, but as true as those stats are, because more people learn to drive when they are 17-20 than in their 30s the experience part plays a part again. And to clarify what I meant is because there are more new drivers between 17-20 than 30+ there are bound to be more accidents amongst the 17-20 group. But yeah, the attitude of the 17-20yr olds will differ wildly on average to the 30+

[Scallywag630]

Power provides temptation. However, a 500bhp car can still be driven at 30mph, it does not have to go flat out. If the driver is sensible then power is not a problem. When I was 18 I was employed by a car dealership and got to drive everything from a morris minor to E types (even a D type once). The thought of losing my job kept me "light footed". For private use I was allowed anything off the used lot that had a current tax disc.

The fact is that 90% of young men think they are good at both driving and sex. Both need experience.

[E.L.M.O]

The fact is that 90% of young men think they are good at both driving and sex. Both need experience.

PMSL And both can involve putting your stick in the wrong hole if your inexperienced!!!!

Edited by E.L.M.O, 28 January 2011 - 12:26 AM.

[Scallywag630]

The fact is that 90% of young men think they are good at both driving and sex. Both need experience.

PMSL And both can involve putting your stick in the wrong hole if your inexperienced!!!!

If you need experience, buy an A8...bit of go and a decent size rear seat!!!!!