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[minispaniard]

The alternative would end up like many other obsolete classic marques with mainly 'older' ageing enthusiasts and small events in fields and village fetes............

And this is a bad thing?!

'older' ageing enthusiasts enjoy sharing their experiences and on these village fetes you get to try local delicacies... I'm with Juju here, how can this be a bad thing?

Our club attend as many Mini shows as local classic events and we enjoy both equally... At the last Battlesbrisge Classic Show we came up as runner-up for best Club Stand, only behind the fabulous Jaguars!!

Roll on the village fetes!!

EDIT: I'm "only" 30!

Edited by minispaniard, 21 May 2011 - 09:58 AM.

[Juju]

'older' ageing enthusiasts enjoy sharing their experiences and on these village fetes you get to try local delicacies... I'm with Juju here, how can this be a bad thing?

Our club attend as many Mini shows as local classic events and we enjoy both equally... At the last Battlesbrisge Classic Show we came up as runner-up for best Club Stand, only behind the fabulous Jaguars!!

Roll on the village fetes!!

EDIT: I'm "only" 30!

And I'm "only" 35!!

Sad state of affairs when it's all about the money. Acheiving targets, paying overheads, bums-on-seats.........

Smaller shows, smaller cars, smaller & less seats for less bums!

[E.L.M.O]

Smaller shows for classics only makes sense. I would go to that! Bini can still attend, they just have to park in the generic car park with everyone else. I don't see why bini drivers aren't happy with having their shows for them and classic shows for classics. We can both attend each others shows but as the shows not for you you have to park in the generic car park. Just don't want to see them. The price of most mini how's has gone up, or stayed the same but nowadays why would I pay more or even the same to go to a how that's got 30% of bini in of which I have no interest in? I should get a % off the price for every BMW there! Lol.
Instead, I just don't go. So well done BMW, you have ruined the mini scene for me!

Edited by E.L.M.O, 21 May 2011 - 10:21 AM.

[dave585]

Smaller shows for classics only makes sense. I would go to that! Bini can still attend, they just have to park in the generic car park with everyone else. I don't see why bini drivers aren't happy with having their shows for them and classic shows for classics. We can both attend each others shows but as the shows not for you you have to park in the generic car park. Just don't want to see them. The price of most mini how's has gone up, or stayed the same but nowadays why would I pay more or even the same to go to a how that's got 30% of bini in of which I have no interest in? I should get a % off the price for every BMW there! Lol.
Instead, I just don't go. So well done BMW, you have ruined the mini scene for me!

Nope sorry to disagree with you there BMW haven't ruined the shows just short sighted, norrow mind people that just go out if there way to be down right nasty towards others. If you don't like them then get over yourselfs and you don't look. Shows cost fact! They need to make money fact! MINI has it's own shows, we do you lot moan fact!
The same people same comments fact! Get used to the fact shows want them if you don't like it then run your own show and see how much money it costs. A lot of people need to remove their blinkers and look towards to future and see how both can work together and bring in new blood, sorry to spoil it but the classic will shrink and it will, in the next few years young people won't want the hassle of an old car restoring them only ones brought up with minis will carry on and I want to see mini carry on for a long time.

[E.L.M.O]

Smaller shows for classics only makes sense. I would go to that! Bini can still attend, they just have to park in the generic car park with everyone else. I don't see why bini drivers aren't happy with having their shows for them and classic shows for classics. We can both attend each others shows but as the shows not for you you have to park in the generic car park. Just don't want to see them. The price of most mini how's has gone up, or stayed the same but nowadays why would I pay more or even the same to go to a how that's got 30% of bini in of which I have no interest in? I should get a % off the price for every BMW there! Lol.
Instead, I just don't go. So well done BMW, you have ruined the mini scene for me!

Nope sorry to disagree with you there BMW haven't ruined the shows just short sighted, norrow mind people that just go out if there way to be down right nasty towards others. If you don't like them then get over yourselfs and you don't look. Shows cost fact! They need to make money fact! MINI has it's own shows, we do you lot moan fact!
The same people same comments fact! Get used to the fact shows want them if you don't like it then run your own show and see how much money it costs. A lot of people need to remove their blinkers and look towards to future and see how both can work together and bring in new blood, sorry to spoil it but the classic will shrink and it will, in the next few years young people won't want the hassle of an old car restoring them only ones brought up with minis will carry on and I want to see mini carry on for a long time.

How dare you tell me what having BMW and the shows has done for me! Who the feck do you think you are? I said for me, they hAve ruined the shows. That isn't for you to tell me differently. As for narrow minded and short sighted.... what the hell. Im not nasty to BMW drivers its just I don't want to pay my money to go somewhere where year BMW things are everywhere. If I walked around with my eyes shut to avoid them I wouldnt see anything as the things. Are everywhere

Edited by E.L.M.O, 21 May 2011 - 11:28 AM.

[cherryblossom]

Smaller shows for classics only makes sense. I would go to that! Bini can still attend, they just have to park in the generic car park with everyone else. I don't see why bini drivers aren't happy with having their shows for them and classic shows for classics. We can both attend each others shows but as the shows not for you you have to park in the generic car park. Just don't want to see them. The price of most mini how's has gone up, or stayed the same but nowadays why would I pay more or even the same to go to a how that's got 30% of bini in of which I have no interest in? I should get a % off the price for every BMW there! Lol.
Instead, I just don't go. So well done BMW, you have ruined the mini scene for me!

Nope sorry to disagree with you there BMW haven't ruined the shows just short sighted, norrow mind people that just go out if there way to be down right nasty towards others. If you don't like them then get over yourselfs and you don't look. Shows cost fact! They need to make money fact! MINI has it's own shows, we do you lot moan fact!
The same people same comments fact! Get used to the fact shows want them if you don't like it then run your own show and see how much money it costs. A lot of people need to remove their blinkers and look towards to future and see how both can work together and bring in new blood, sorry to spoil it but the classic will shrink and it will, in the next few years young people won't want the hassle of an old car restoring them only ones brought up with minis will carry on and I want to see mini carry on for a long time.

Surely if this was the case then alot of classic mini clubs would have gone along time ago, as they wouldnt of had 'young blood' keeping them alive. I think its yourself which is narrow minded and think that the classic scene wont carry on without the modern mini's.
I dont want to bring up the whole classics vs modern mini fight all again as it would get this thread shut down like so many more. I agree with elmo on this one, i dont see why i should have to pay a full price ticket when some shows there 50% bini's there. I have no intrest in them thats why i still have a classic mini.

There alot of shows where there has been arguments between binis and classics because of the attitude that has come from bini clubs ( an example was Himley Hall for my Classic club). I just think that the argument has been going on for so long now, it wont ever end so that they will need a seperation between the two.

[xtr hardcore]

Funny that this row comes up after every L2B! and the same people always comment!
What you have to get in to your heads is that many MINI owners have come from classics like myself who and i sorry to say was sick to death of pouring money after money in to keeping it on the road all the time! if it wasnt one thing that went on a monday got fixed then it was another on tuesday that went wrong! Now i could of gone and left the mini scene all together and sometimes reading the petty comments i wish i bloody had! But no i had a MINI that way i could stay in the club and join my mates and enjoy the shows. Many of us MINI owners have had or still own a classic and now what its all about but just like any other car out there there are people who havent got a clue and its just a normal every day car nothing more, When the mini was launched back in 1959 it was a small car nothing more nothing less. There wasnt clubs or show till long after.
Not all of us are in to moding cars there are some who enjoy doing that but im not one of those and to say its only MINI owners that do it is just calling the pot kettle black! How many classics are moded with v tecs, slammed to the ground or just a shell on top of another car! Loads so not just MINI owners.
Then you moan about show etc do any of you know how much money is needed to run something like this? No some of you dont! You have to have insurance,cost of hiring the show ground plus other costs. take Himley Hall that would of cost well over 60K plus and if classics only went then to be blunt it would have been a very empty show! Plus has i have said before if classic clubs book a stand and then can not be bothered to turn up then you cant moan can you?
Many shows have seen that taking in the mini is a good thing as more early MINIs are becoming cheaper it will bring fresh blood to the family and yet again will kindle the interest in the classic many MINI owners have come to shows seen how good the classic and then gone and brought one and take that to shows along with the MINI thus keeping a another classic on the road and not in the scrap yard or just rotting in someones garden, thats got to be better than nothing.
Its also funny that you all gone on that it should be only classics at show and we should have our own, and yes we do and shock of all shocks you lot moan about! and dont say you dont because ive seen the comments. Well heres some news for you classic minis are always invited to come and in fact they dont get shoved up a corner of the room they get a place along side MINIs. They are always surrounded people looking at them and taking to the owners and there are no nasty petty comments classics are always welcome and made to feel welcome. MINI united was a MINI show but classics turned up and everyone was made to feel welcome.
NMC run to wales last year one one classic turned up it was made to feel welcome, every MINI owner chatted to the owner, took pics etc and more importantly made sure that he did not lose any one in the convoy or if he had any issues we stayed with him. Plus with all the cars there GPs JCWs this mini was given mini of the weekend! so if we can be welcoming to classics then why not the other way round?
You have to look to the future and stop moaning and using big words you have to move forward and stop harping on about the past thats gone. If your going to get new blood in to mini/MINI then this attiude is going to help is it?
You dont have to look at MINIs if you dont like them i dont like the clubman minis from the 70s but i dont go out my way to nasty down right rude to the owners i just dont look at them but i dont think they should be banned!
As for the countryman yes i know its big but have any of you taken into consideration that this MINI is perfect for people who would like a mini/MINI but cant have one due to a disabilty that requires that they have to have a bigger car, but they love minis etc I know 2 people that are disabled one of them is my cousin and he loves minis but cant drive one because of disabilty, no its easier to ******* them off!
One final point if you want MINIs banned how are you going to explain this to clubs that have both? because i have notice a few "classic owners" clubs all of sudden have MINIs in them are you going to upset clubs? no i dont think so, shows need money and they arent going to stop having them because of a few short shighted people.

Stop moaning, personal opinion

[89mini-boy]

In my experience MINI drivers/owners on the whole whether enthusiasts or not are just as varied and friendly as classic owners

i dont agree to be honest i did a little test the other day that every BINI i see i would wave to and i didnt get one wave back just funny looks and even a finger. Most of the peple driving BINIs are girls who think they are a fasion accessory same with the beatle and the fiat 500.

i thinks classic car shows should purely be classic

+1 Classic car show should be only CLASSIC cars only and these cars are all hairdressers cars !!!!

[89mini-boy]

we would be far better teaming up with other classic car groups like VW or Classic Ford owners, at least that way we would have something more than just a car name in common!!

Well technically, we have teamed up with the dub boys, look at the blenheim vw vs mini show

and knebworth etc etc

[89mini-boy]

Don't think I would of had the same feeling if I was met by a thousand Bini's! Lol.

Haha think that is called a NIGHTMARE !!!!

[Scallywag630]

Nope sorry to disagree with you there BMW haven't ruined the shows just short sighted, norrow mind people that just go out if there way to be down right nasty towards others.

On the contrary, the majority of Bini owners have no interest in the classic mini...FACT

If you don't like them then get over yourselfs and you don't look. Shows cost fact! They need to make money fact! MINI has it's own shows, we do you lot moan fact!

MINI is only allowed at shows like L2B because BMW BOUGHT the name. If Ford had, would you want to see Fiesta there?

The same people same comments fact!

Agreed...its mainly you and a couple of others that always defend Bini, so much so that some wonder if you are in the empoly of BMW??? How many people have joined your united website?


Get used to the fact shows want them if you don't like it then run your own show and see how much money it costs.
A lot of people need to remove their blinkers and look towards to future and see how both can work together and bring in new blood, sorry to spoil it but the classic will shrink and it will, in the next few years young people won't want the hassle of an old car restoring them only ones brought up with minis will carry on and I want to see mini carry on for a long time.

What a load of old tosh, just look at the average age of TMF members and see how many teenagers join. If your argument carried any weight the Veteran Car London to Brighton run would have stopped decades ago.

[The_Mistro]

The alternative would end up like many other obsolete classic marques with mainly 'older' ageing enthusiasts and small events in fields and village fetes............

And this is a bad thing?!

im only 21, and i know for a fact there are kids aged 15 or even younger doing up minis for their first cars already! i dont think age has anything to do with it in anyway at all!

[mab01uk]

Through most of the years I have owned classic Mini's the majority of owners also had no interest in the 'enthusiast' scene and it was not a 'classic ' car because it was in production and to most just a common car on the roads suitable for their needs.......FACT..........it did not stop me or others at the time being enthusiasts, forming clubs and attending shows, even though we were in a small minority of owners and were not welcomed by the majority of classic car shows or enthusiasts at the time.

Same thing applies now with MINI's........because they are around in the same numbers that the classic Mini achieved at its peak in the 1970's does not mean that the current enthusiast minority of MINI owners is any less passionate or worthy to enter events.

BMW bought more than a name.................they invested millions and kept the classic Mini going for an extra 4 years with investment in the MPI despite Rover's plans to kill it off in '94 and the fact they stupidly could not see a future for a new Mini or realise the worldwide iconic status it had achieved as a marque. With investment money and guidance from BMW the Rover engineers produced the R50 which is the basis of the great success the whole New MINI range is today. It would have been great if they could have done it on their own but sadly a lifetime working in British industry has taught me that we are great at designing new revolutionary products but very poor at investing in their long term future success, updating them, managing workers, securing jobs and making a profit! Typically the Oxford factory under foreign ownership is booming still building MINI's in the UK and at full capacity, while the rest of MGRover was systematically run into the ground by the British management 'Phoenix Four' lining their own pockets with £42 million for short term gain..........not a bad return on the £10 it cost them and the millions of pounds of 'goodwill' payments included by BMW.

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[Ethel]

I too would prefer to go to a classic only event, but I'd still want events like L2B. If sharing L2B with Binis means it remains viable then that's better than no L2B; even taking £10 off the ticket price would satisfy many. I can't think of any classic events that are run in private, they're more than happy to show off their cars, that is the whole point afterall, and if they can take money off spectators to reduce costs that's a bonus. Just think of those Bini owners as a select group of spectators. The L2B also takes place on public roads so you may well encounter just as many Binis that have nothing to do with the run, let alone all the other traffic.

I can see that participants would prefer to park up with cars and owners similar to themselves, given free rein that's what would usually happen. It would also help the organisers by making the best use of space - a block of 30 "minis assorted" might hold 20 Binis and 20 proper Minis when sorted by type.

[dave585]

Smaller shows for classics only makes sense. I would go to that! Bini can still attend, they just have to park in the generic car park with everyone else. I don't see why bini drivers aren't happy with having their shows for them and classic shows for classics. We can both attend each others shows but as the shows not for you you have to park in the generic car park. Just don't want to see them. The price of most mini how's has gone up, or stayed the same but nowadays why would I pay more or even the same to go to a how that's got 30% of bini in of which I have no interest in? I should get a % off the price for every BMW there! Lol.
Instead, I just don't go. So well done BMW, you have ruined the mini scene for me!

Nope sorry to disagree with you there BMW haven't ruined the shows just short sighted, norrow mind people that just go out if there way to be down right nasty towards others. If you don't like them then get over yourselfs and you don't look. Shows cost fact! They need to make money fact! MINI has it's own shows, we do you lot moan fact!
The same people same comments fact! Get used to the fact shows want them if you don't like it then run your own show and see how much money it costs. A lot of people need to remove their blinkers and look towards to future and see how both can work together and bring in new blood, sorry to spoil it but the classic will shrink and it will, in the next few years young people won't want the hassle of an old car restoring them only ones brought up with minis will carry on and I want to see mini carry on for a long time.

How dare you tell me what having BMW and the shows has done for me! Who the feck do you think you are? I said for me, they hAve ruined the shows. That isn't for you to tell me differently. As for narrow minded and short sighted.... what the hell. Im not nasty to BMW drivers its just I don't want to pay my money to go somewhere where year BMW things are everywhere. If I walked around with my eyes shut to avoid them I wouldnt see anything as the things. Are everywhere

Have i said that BMW and show have done anything for you i don't think i have! I said that they haven't ruined show! And as for who the hell i an i will tell you you straight! I am working very very hard to bring to to groups together with mini/MINI united not divided a group which now has over 2000 members and growing daily from both sides of the coin that enjoy meeting and showing off their cars and enjoying them. I am bloody working hard to ensure the the classic will carry on long in to the future with MINI, i am bloody working hard to ensure that the disagreements from both sides are shorted. I am the type who will stop at the side of the road and help any classic that is in trouble and lend them any tools i have with me. I am the type of person who will defend any classic mini from any comments, i will help any club that comes round at shows inviting us to a show by turning up and showing our support! I AM the type of person who will help anyone even if they don't like my MINI!
BUT from now on sod the lot of you! if i see a mini in trouble i will just drive past and wave! at shows i will say what i think and if i see a car i don't like i will voice it loud just like you lot do to MINI's! If i see a mini thats just a shell on top of another car or something i don' like i will say "its not a mini" loud. I think i will throw tea/coffee or a soft drink over them just like thats happened to MINI owners, I think i might spit at them as well as damage them why not its happen to us, in fact it has happened to me so time to pay back!
I think that we have our own shows and classics will not be welcome period! if any turn up they can park in the car park up the corner out of sight just as you want with the MINI!
There are some nasty people who are just out to be down right nasty to people, and now i think its time that i turn nasty and i can be pure evil with people. You want to have a go then feel free ******* me off be bloody nasty i couldn't give a ****! it will just show your true colours!