24 replies to this topic

[E.L.M.O]

It's their idea of what an historic vehicle is and what you'd have to do to it to keep it historic - or not be able to do in particular.

Yeah I can see them emposing restrictions like the do with listed buildings. That would really suck!
We really are a becoming a nanny under the thumb nation!

[Mini_Magic]

It us to be a rolling exception, until about 1997. Now it's anything registered before 1972.

1973

That's what I said!

[E.L.M.O]

It us to be a rolling exception, until about 1997. Now it's anything registered before 1972.

1973

That's what I said!

Actually I think your both wrong. Its anything manufactured before Jan 1973. My Pick up was registered in Feb 1973 and If I can prove it was built during Jan 1973, I can get it on a heritage cert and have it tax excempt. Shouldnt be hard to prove, they didnt build and sell it in a few weeks!

So anything MANUFACTURED before Jan 1973

Edited by E.L.M.O, 23 September 2011 - 01:15 PM.

[BGB]

Pointless.

The 2 petitions that have already made 100000 sigs wont make it to the debating chamber as no MP is dumb enough to put their name behind it.

That and MPs claim they dont have time

See this story below

http://www.bbc.co.uk...litics-14852603

[E.L.M.O]

It just goes against every other policy they have set, which is why it wont go through. The goverment dont want classics on the road for the simple reason that they want to reduce emissions (classic cars produce more emissions except a few minor exceptions, plus they dont have to conform to the same emissions testing that news cars do) plus the fact that they want to do everything possible to get you to buy a brand new car (preferrebly british built, but not exlusively, buying a car in the uk british or not is good for the british economy, but obviously a british built car is best!)

So why will they make the tax excempt a rolling thing and make it easier for you to hold on to your cherished classic? It will never happen as they dont want it to happen! dont be fooled into thinking you have any say in how the country is run, names on a pertition or not. It could be a million you still aint going to make a difference!

[Bungle]

from the ace web site (linked below)

Restoring and repairing Historic cars to be banned?

FIVA have recently created the Charter of Turin which contains some worrying definitions of what is considered a Historic Vehicle and, as the formalised direction of FIVA, will be the guiding principles behind their negotiations for the future of Historic Vehicles EU wide.
http://www.fiva.org/...glish Draft.pdf
Several items cause ACE concern with view to regularly driven Historic Vehicles and those restored to showroom condition by their owners. Also modified vehicles become disowned in their entirety in their formalisation of their Historic definition.
Taken from the above document
“Repair means the adaptation, refurbishment or replacement of existing or missing components. Repair aims first and foremost at implementing a pre-determined standard for mechanical integrity or in line with intended use. Repair does not care about the historic condition of components, the original materials or work techniques or the authentic substance of the vehicle; the only aim here is to make the object fully operable again.
Renovation concentrates on a more or less exact imitation of a “factory-new” appearance. Such a revision tries to extinguish all traces of real age and history on the vehicle, without much caring and on the expense of historic substance.
Vehicles or objects altered in this manner are in danger to lose their value as sources for cultural history. The renovation does normally not comply with the Charters approach on historic vehicles “
“Article 10 Any modifications required later for whatever reasons should respect the original’s structure and appearance. Ideally, such modifications should always be reversible, and any important original parts removed in the processes should be kept with the vehicle to allow later re-utilisation and to serve as reference for the originally existing substance.”
We have pulled the quotes from the document and we obviously suggest you read the entire link to see the quotations in full context.
However we see this as saying that vehicles that are just ‘repaired’, rather than using period parts and methods would not be accepted, in FIVAs view, as qualifying as a Historic Vehicle.
Likewise full ‘Renovations’, which most would refer to as restorations, to showroom specification and quality would not be seen to qualify for the Historic Vehicle Status. This Charter would leave Heritage, and other ‘new’ body reshells, in a seriously disadvantaged position.
If these vehicles became non registerable in historic Class there is no alternative taxation class available to them.
FIVA are negotiating exemptions from various proposed legislation from Historic Vehicles but can be clearly seen not to be taking into account much of the backbone of British Historic Vehicles and certainly none that are modified, but still qualify for Historic status by virtue of our existing DVLA 8 points system.
FIVA boast a membership of some 1.5 million EU wide, but by comparison, estimated figures indicate over 2 million involved in modifying, in the UK alone. With a rolling 30 year limit, across much of the EU ,for vehicles automatically being transferred to Historic status, many would fall under this classification by the simple virtue of ageing.
It is apparent that many modified or safe but historically inappropriately repaired, or showroom condition 'renovated' cars and even faithful replicas, would become unusable were the FIVA Charter proposals to become the legal definition across the EU.
We did ask FBHVC, as a member organisation of FIVA, for their views on the Charter proposals but they have currently declined to issue comments to a non Federation association

[Ethel]

I can't really think of any cars built after 72 that would fit the warm beer and cricket on the village green image that floats the boat for Middle England. Until you see a few peers cutting about in an RS2000 or Mk1 Golfs I reckon you're wasting your breath.

[Black.Ghost]

25 years would be 1986 as the cut off. So immediately that would be all cars from Jan 73 to 86 that are still on the road not paying car tax. That's a lot of money to lose, especially at a time when the country doesn't have enough as it is. In the grand scheme of things, it might not be much but it all adds up.

If they changed it back to a rolling 25 years, they would soon up the tax for something else to cover it. Give with one hand, take with the other. No one is going to give you something for nothing.

Also, one of the claimed reasons for the scrappage scheme was to remove as many old 'polluting' cars from the roads as possible. They wont change the tax rules and encourage more people to stick with older cars to avoid the road tax.

[E.L.M.O]

If they changed it back to a rolling 25 years, they would soon up the tax for something else to cover it. Give with one hand, take with the other.

Give with one hand, dig deep and take 10 times as much with the other all the while keeping your focus on the giving hand. Its like an old mugging trick, distract someone by giving them something while your mate / other hand is in their back pocket helping themselves.

one of the claimed reasons for the scrappage scheme was to remove as many old 'polluting' cars from the roads as possible. They wont change the tax rules and encourage more people to stick with older cars to avoid the road tax.

Exactly

[coopdog]

my car had 12 owners before me and if that aint epic recycling what is?

Edited by coopdog, 28 September 2011 - 10:04 AM.