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[maggies_minder]

the New countryman Which i think is a pretty damn cool car

Wow, no offence but seriously?!

thats the monster one isnt it?
i stand by my statement about the new coupe

Edited by maggies_minder, 20 October 2011 - 09:42 PM.

[mab01uk]

the New countryman Which i think is a pretty damn cool car

Wow, no offence but seriously?!

I think second for the Prodrive MINI Countryman in the WRC Rally France on only its fourth event of the season makes it a pretty damn cool car and 76,000 sales so far this year of the road going countryman indicate quite a few agree:
http://www.motoringf...-for-september/

[Ethel]

I think Tata has a facility in Iran.

All the manufacturers are multi nationals and very largely privately funded. The UK government has as much influence over Nissan as it did over BL (which was barely in control of itself). All the profits go to the share holders, which are just as likely to be your bank or pension fund as any foreigner.

[Big Sam]

you just listed cars that were once British.

• Aston is owned by Ford

No it's not. You're 4 years out of date. They still own a mere 10%. A consortium (brits and Kuwaitis) led by Prodrive now own it.

Besides we have JCB....

[campaj1]

Ladies and Gentlemen,

Just to clarify no I am not a "spammer" and am a little disappointed by the aggressive manner in which the post has been replied to. There were some quite callous responses who know nothing about me. I joined this forum because I liked the friendly and helpful environment. I was particularly surprised by the initial response of "shifty", hardly the style of an administrator, don't you think?

As for the cause itself I am happy to respond to criticisms/questions.

Those who say that this is a waste of money amidst a recession have to consider the potential for tourism. Let's be honest, would half the people who go to the Nurburgring ever go there if the track wasn't there?

There is potential for this proposal to actually make money for Britain if organised properly.

As for the idea that government would not sponsor this, I reckon that considering their continual support of the motor industry here in the UK, there is at least a chance, under the idea that it would be used for automotive development.

Naturally I support motor sport road closures also, although I have doubts that the roads here are really up to scratch for serious road races.

I don't think that the heritage of places such as this is so vital as some of you may think. It is undisputed that Hitler had serious issues, but the idea to build roads is one policy which did work.

Granted this idea needs more research, but that can happen all in good time.

I count any car built in Britain as british? Any jobs in Britain are good, we can't be too choosy.

[MiniLuke]

Naughty shifty! You've been told.....

[ministar]

Can you ever recreate the history of the nurburgring? Never mind the layout... The reason alot of people go to the Nurburgring year in, year out, is 2 fold.

1. The history and whats happened there previously. 2. The challenging nature of the race track.


I don't mean to '****' on your parade but it won't happen. Is copying something that was built in 1925-1927 really going to work in todays world? There are plenty of great race tracks in this country already.


Leave the Nurburgring in Germany, and support race tracks that exist already.. They need it!

[campaj1]

Can you ever recreate the history of the nurburgring? Never mind the layout... The reason alot of people go to the Nurburgring year in, year out, is 2 fold.

1. The history and whats happened there previously. 2. The challenging nature of the race track.

No I believe the real reason is so that people can safely explore the limits of how quickly they can take their car around a track. Granted the course is challenging, but hardly the only challenging track. I must say that I doubt that many who go there give much of a thought to the history, illustrious as it is.

[redhotminilewis]

Can you ever recreate the history of the nurburgring? Never mind the layout... The reason alot of people go to the Nurburgring year in, year out, is 2 fold.

1. The history and whats happened there previously. 2. The challenging nature of the race track.

No I believe the real reason is so that people can safely explore the limits of how quickly they can take their car around a track. Granted the course is challenging, but hardly the only challenging track. I must say that I doubt that many who go there give much of a thought to the history, illustrious as it is.

I think that if we weren't in such times that we a currently in it would be a good idea theoretically. The tourism would be excellent, puts a very good race on the calendar and would be great tool to put british motorsport circuits back on the map once again. However you would be a direct compettitor with the nurburgring which has great history, its an excellent track and is almost smack bang in the middle of europe so everyone can easily (sort of) get there.

But history can only be made when it has been built. Who knows that in 20-30 years this new track could have the history of any other track.

I am very much on the fence as its a great idea, but i think the times we are inwould be very selfish to the people that cant get a job and being made redundant as it sort of says, "sorry we have to make you redundant as were building a racetrack"

Im not going to vote on the petition but i can definitely see where you are coming from.

Edited by redhotminilewis, 14 January 2012 - 01:35 PM.

[campaj1]

Can you ever recreate the history of the nurburgring? Never mind the layout... The reason alot of people go to the Nurburgring year in, year out, is 2 fold.

1. The history and whats happened there previously. 2. The challenging nature of the race track.

No I believe the real reason is so that people can safely explore the limits of how quickly they can take their car around a track. Granted the course is challenging, but hardly the only challenging track. I must say that I doubt that many who go there give much of a thought to the history, illustrious as it is.

I think that if we weren't in such times that we a currently in it would be a good idea theoretically. The tourism would be excellent, puts a very good race on the calendar and would be great tool to put british motorsport circuits back on the map once again. However you would be a direct compettitor with the nurburgring which has great history, its an excellent track and is almost smack bang in the middle of europe so everyone can easily (sort of) get there.

But history can only be made when it has been built. Who knows that in 20-30 years this new track could have the history of any other track.

I am very much on the fence as its a great idea, but i think the times we are inwould be very selfish to the people that cant get a job and being made redundant as it sort of says, "sorry we have to make you redundant as were building a racetrack"

Im not going to vote on the petition but i can definitely see where you are coming from.

You are right it is a difficult time to do it, I totally get where you are coming from, however arguably it creates the jobs in construction and such which should get people out of unemployment. Whatever happens though, it is certainly worth a think about.

[giner88]

its an E Petition, which (correct me if i'm wrong) is aimed at the goverment? soooooo whats the point something like this would have to be privately backed, the goverment does not have this sort of money to waste away on pipe dreams. Argue all you want BUT we are on the edge of europe, drive on the wrong side compared to the rest of europe, have the most expensive petrol and not to mention we live on an ISLAND!!! its not like you can drive here in a car you have to get a ferry. No sane Bussiness man would back it, as its in a Bad spot, for a track thats going to be used predominantly by europeans.

anyway if you argue it is such a good idea, then why has it not been done? if it was going to make money it would have already been done, if its there to provide a service and not 'make money' why the hell would we (the goverment) want to waste money on it to provide something for other countries at a loss. We already P*ss enough money away on E.U stuff. Cleary a few of you people have no Grasp on economics.

Why do you think they have not built a disneyland in the UK? because theres a perfectly good one a few 100 miles away same as the Nurburg ring.

i hope i am not the only person to think like this.

[campaj1]

whats the point something like this would have to be privately backed, the goverment does not have this sort of money to waste away on pipe dreams.

The point is improving our tourist industry and therefore the economy as a whole. Therefore it could well be a scheme which could be employed by the government. The scheme would be made to pay for itself over time.

Argue all you want

Why, thank-you for your permission.

BUT we are on the edge of europe, drive on the wrong side compared to the rest of europe, have the most expensive petrol and not to mention we live on an ISLAND!!!

But the track would be multi purpose, as Britons would use it, both in industry for development, and for leisure use. Location has not been a barrier for the Nurburgring, with many from further afield from Europe flying in and then renting cars to do a lap or two in. Therefore the proposed circuit could be used aspart of a package holiday, exploring UK landmarks as well as other activities.

No sane Bussiness man would back it, as its in a Bad spot, for a track thats going to be used predominantly by europeans.

I think you'll find its "business man", and besides strictly it should be "business person". Perhaps I'm being petty but I get the impression you would return the favour...

Britain is the motor sport capital of the world, so a track similar to the Nurburgring could easily do well if managed and promoted properly, with people wanting a slice of the action.

anyway if you argue it is such a good idea, then why has it not been done? if it was going to make money it would have already been done

And how do you come to that conclusion? Any capitalist economy relies on good new ideas to be put into practice. You are implying that all the good ideas have gone already.

if its there to provide a service and not 'make money' why the hell would we (the goverment) want to waste money on it to provide something for other countries at a loss. We already P*ss enough money away on E.U stuff. Cleary a few of you people have no Grasp on economics.

It would not be loss making due to the toll system. Should have actually read the e-petition, IMO. Granted we do spend too much on Europe. Clearly you do not read before you type.

Why do you think they have not built a disneyland in the UK? because theres a perfectly good one a few 100 miles away same as the Nurburg ring.
i hope i am not the only person to think like this.

Partially because we have theme parks of our own here, partially because disneyland is ghastly. Seriously though I object to the comparison- you go to Disneyland in Paris and it will be near as damn it the same as any other Disneyland, a great big cheesy theme park. The track would have its own flavour, its own character. You actually would experience the culture, much as when you go to the Nurburgring it is customary to try some german beer or sauerkraut and to experience some local culture. In disneyland you get the same sense of culture whichever park you go to. So the comparison is not really valid.

I hope you are not the only person to object too, as the idea does need to stand up to criticism.

Edited by campaj1, 14 January 2012 - 04:20 PM.

[mickeyd515]

that wouldbe cool save the travelling

[Artful Dodger]

sorry, but where is it going to go?


WE ARE FULL!!

[Frank the Tank]

I was particularly surprised by the initial response of "shifty", hardly the style of an administrator, don't you think?

He may be an administrator but believe it or not he also has an opinion.

I'd love to see it happen but can't see it getting off the ground with the current economic climate, despite how many jobs it "could" create.