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[Black.Ghost]

I agree we do have problems in the UK, but you can't just cut off everyone else of because we are having a tough time. It's the way the economy works - it has to go down to go back up. Unlike Mr Brown claimed, we cannot remove the bust part from the cycle.

[AVV IT]

Hit the nail on the head ...

I would put on the bottom of this - Stop all foreign aid , Until we are not in debt

No Overseas aid!!

Firstly at around £295 million per annum, the biggest recipient of UK overseas is India. A country that we as a nation invaded and exploited for over 150 years through colonial rule. Before we invaded in 1773, India had a share of the worlds income that rivalled that of Europe, but by 1947 when we had finished raping its resources and enslaving its people, we simply walked away leaving it both poorly equipped to govern itself and also the poorest country in the world.

.....and now people have the nerve to suggest that we shouldn't be giving basic humanitarian aid, to people whose poverty we are actually responsible for creating in the first place..... shame on you!!

The entire UK overseas aid budget is around £7.8 billion, to put that in some sort of context the UK unemployment benefit budget alone is nearer £21 billion. Also the UK government intends to cut back on the aid it gives to 16 overseas countries this year including Vietnam, Bosnia & Angola, mainly where it believes that these countries have now "graduated out of poverty". Funds that will be redirected towards those countries with the greatest needs for aid.

Personally I have no issue with us spending £7.8 billion on helping people in other countries, who are dying due to poor sanitation and healthcare etc, particularly when our nations colonial past is at least partly responsible for creating those peoples poverty in the first place. What I do have an issue with, is us spending £21 billion on benefits for people who allegedly "can't get a job", whilst there's also a huge unskilled manual labour shortage in this country at the same time! So much so, that we have to rely on migrant labour from overseas to fill the jobs here that nobody here wants!

[Ethel]

To be fair there was no single India before the British Empire and your average Indian was at least as well exploited by their local Maharajah.

Anyways, some Marxism adds a piquant balance Sunday afternoons, I find.

Debt is how the capitalist system functions: it's how people with money get more without producing anything of any real social value. The more idle rich you have, the less there's left in the pot for the workers which in turn means less demand for the produce of their labour and a vicious downwards economic spiral.

The real measure of a successful economy is the goods and services it produces & the standard of living of all of its members.

Britain's problem is that it hasn't benefited from a decent invasion since 1066, we've had a thousand years of being ruled by a class where it's been more important just to have more than the rest than for there to more in general. It's no accident that the biggest shake ups of our society have been when the "have's" have been threatened with losing it all - two world wars.

It might help explain why the vanquished often go on to win the peace: Germany & Japan.

[AVV IT]

Problem we have here is that EVERYONE takes the UK for granted so much we can't help ourselves as 'we' are too occupied with helping everyone else. It's not being selfish to ask your own country to put its own people first.

This country actually spends around 0.7% of national income on overseas aid. By comparison, it spends almost ten times more on giving free legal representation to UK criminals, than it gives to it's biggest recipient of overseas aid. People need to stop believing the propaganda that is spoon fed to them by the Daily Mail and the Sun newspapers, about the costs of overseas aid and immigration, and start realising that this country is actually pouring tens of billions more into paying for its own worthless scrounging chavs, through benefit culture and social welfare!

Personally I'd give benefit scroungers a chance to make a valuable contribution to society by sending them out to Afghanistan, (along with the inmate population of our prisons), to search for IED's using just their feet! Of course I would ensure that they had adequate personal protection to do so, as I would see that they were each equipped with a pair of those large comedy shoes that clowns wear, a four leaf clover, a rabbits foot and a T-Shirt with the words "I'm feeling Lucky!" emblazoned upon the front!

Edited by AVV IT, 11 March 2012 - 06:16 PM.

[Black.Ghost]

Personally I'd give benefit scroungers a chance to make a valuable contribution to society by sending them out to Afghanistan, (along with the inmate population of our prisons), to search for IED's using just their feet! Of course I would ensure that they had adequate personal protection to do so, as I would see that they were each equipped with a pair of those large comedy shoes that clowns wear, a four leaf clover, a rabbits foot and a T-Shirt with the words "I'm feeling Lucky!" emblazoned upon the front!

Ah, that would be the difficult decisions I was talking about then

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I read somewhere (how true it is I don't know) that the idea of national service was thought about in the last few years but the thought of either arming chavs with guns and sending to a serious place ie. war zone wouldn't be a good idea andthe thought of sending em to help at places such as old folks home assistants if it wasn't to be the forces again has questionable doubt.

Not sure if I'd want some thug on the frontline or looking after an elderly relative.

But anyway, suppose it must've been a real article because I read it on the Internet.

[DeanP]

Personally I'd give benefit scroungers a chance to make a valuable contribution to society by sending them out to Afghanistan, (along with the inmate population of our prisons), to search for IED's using just their feet! Of course I would ensure that they had adequate personal protection to do so, as I would see that they were each equipped with a pair of those large comedy shoes that clowns wear, a four leaf clover, a rabbits foot and a T-Shirt with the words "I'm feeling Lucky!" emblazoned upon the front!

Ah, that would be the difficult decisions I was talking about then

Yes and as someone else mentioned....... votes. Four million unemployed, possibly 1.5 million of them scroungers, 20 million getting some sort of tax credit is a lot of votes to lose when you start messing with benefits. I really don't envy David Cameron and I've never been a tory voter, but I think we have the best situation at the moment. Next general election, the Lib Dems will go and the tories with have full rein and I fear another Thatcher type rule hitting us. Public services slashed (no miners, ship builders or Leyland cars to hit this time), the NHS, councils and the rest will suffer with tax redctions as the sweetner to vote them in.