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[dame]

Hoping to get this pinned, because i think it could be usefull.

any painters out there, preferably n the west mids, who will state here and now a price for a self prep respray?

it seems to be really hush hush wink wink, when if you think about it, itshould be the easiest thing in the world to quote, Minis havent changed a fat lot in 50 odd years so to pull the triger and shoot the paint should be a known quantity and a painter should be able to say yes mate a mini self prep job in flat whit black orange etc will be... £x or a simple B.R.G or Tahiti blue metalic will be...£x
specialist, 2 or more colour is different, so would require a price being fixed, but honestly, i have asked 2 or 3 now, and with no wish to be rude, it like i'm asking for the price on redesigning a battleship.. ooo mate...hmmm will have to have a word with you , need to work it out!??
work out what exactly?
its a mini blow over, 1 colour, how much please?
so if you can paint, are good enough to charge for it, how much for a blow over, say... in white?
cheers

[dark]

Dame, i got quoted for a shell that was all preped to be sprayed in any colour, between £250 - 400 including the roof and inside.

[Shifty]

Problem is that every car is different. Your idea of a prepped car may be wildly different to the painters.

Most good painters won't touch a car they haven't prepped themselves. Who pays if the paint reacts or sinks into the filler?

If someone quoted me without seeing the car I'd be suspicious straightway.

[newnham500]

to be honest mate i gonna do it myself, i got quoted 1400 quid for a blinking mini, now like a comedian said the other day "thats enough to catch a bus back to earth from were ever it is your living".

1400, i mean come on. im aware that there is abit of work to do but, the guy stood there looked up and around and drew large amounts of air though his lips and plucked a figure from the chaos of the universe. then told me in the tone of voice that suggested, "i no this is over the top, but lets see if he goes for it".

SO my plan is get the stuff, and do a million very light coats. has also worked for me from a rattle can, lets be honest a good decent paint gun does all the work for you. all you have to do is wave it over the car. if it was so hard why do they let robots do it, which have no idea if they are doing a good job.

Let me say sorry to the painters on her, i no you are more than likely gonna come riding in to defend your job. so i will prove soon, its not that hard.

Rant over.

[Shifty]

It's a lot more difficult than it looks!

I've been doing stuff myself for years now and I'm stil not very good.

Paintjobs are expensive because they take time and facilities to do properly.

I've got a grands worth of gun/compressor/mask etc, even that doesn't help!

[newnham500]

im gonna keep quite on that one

[dame]

I think you just made the pont for me though?
how is every (standard) mini different?
a mini is a mini, i take your point about sagging and orange peel, but whilst i know it can happen, in my experience, mainly with rattle cans its never happened, i have done 2 roofs(rooves?) recently and whilst I now wish i had spent longer getting the scratches out of the metal, the paint itself is fine, i was genuinly surprised at how good it came out, like wise with my race car, i resprayed 2 wings (2 colour) and the front end with cans, (yellow !!) and you couldnt tell it had been resprayed let alone from a can, yet my brother in law who does concourse beetles paints the floors inside and out ffs, thinks NOTHINg of spending 3k on paint!! why?
the 1 and only car i ever painted in its entirety was a citroen 2cv, the guy at Chagwyns, said i couldn't have picked a worse car to paint, due to all the curves etc, again yellow!! (i didnt know) but it went on ok, it had been blue, and was now the desired mondeo flourescent yellow , ( i was young!) and it cost me about 40 quid in paint and thinners? aprox £80 in todays money, so how come that suddenly becomes £1500 because bloke in a tyvek suit is doing it? i dont begrudge a profit, but have a word!!!
newham 500 i await your updates, becuse i think i fall more in to your way of thinking i'm affaid, (no offence mr shifty)

[Minuki]

to be honest mate i gonna do it myself, i got quoted 1400 quid for a blinking mini, now like a comedian said the other day "thats enough to catch a bus back to earth from were ever it is your living".

1400, i mean come on. im aware that there is abit of work to do but, the guy stood there looked up and around and drew large amounts of air though his lips and plucked a figure from the chaos of the universe. then told me in the tone of voice that suggested, "i no this is over the top, but lets see if he goes for it".

SO my plan is get the stuff, and do a million very light coats. has also worked for me from a rattle can, lets be honest a good decent paint gun does all the work for you. all you have to do is wave it over the car. if it was so hard why do they let robots do it, which have no idea if they are doing a good job.

Let me say sorry to the painters on her, i no you are more than likely gonna come riding in to defend your job. so i will prove soon, its not that hard.

Rant over.

Do you really think you're(An amateur with a rattle can) will make a better job than a professional with proper equipment and experience?

I don't think so.

There's a reason they charge a lot, some more than others, it's bloody hard to get right.

I worked in a bodyshop for nearly 3 years with a very experienced panel beater/sprayer and one of the first questions I asked was "How much would it be to spray my Mini?" To this day, he's still not gave me a price. I am doing ALL the prep work myself, filler,masking, blocking etc which should cut it down the price, but I'm probably looking at around £500-£800

[Nikral]

I paid £1400 hundred for my full respray and was happy with that, the reason being is that like any proffesional tradesman you are paying for there experience and knowledge, also remeber you have a legal comeback if problems arise with the finish, so do it yourself by all means but not everyone who takes sharp breaths are ripping you off.

[ANON]

lets be honest a good decent paint gun does all the work for you. all you have to do is wave it over the car.
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Let me say sorry to the painters on her, i no you are more than likely gonna come riding in to defend your job. so i will prove soon, its not that hard.

Rant over.

maybe you could just start doing full jobs for people straight away if it's that easy

and if you want to know why the cost is so expensive buy an oven, then a paint mixing scheme, compressor, rent, rates, water rates, insurance, tax, phone bills, wages, electricity and then once you've paid all of that you can start to pay yourself a wage

just remembered, when you have a week or two off you've still got to cover all your bills while you don't earn any money.

Edited by ANON, 12 March 2012 - 11:44 AM.

[newnham500]

Im Not so stuipd to assum painters dont have to pay these costs, but the problem comes when i can get the gear and do it myself for a faction of the cost. Yes the quality might not be quite the same, but when the gun is 50, and the paint is 80/90. compaired to the 1400 i was quoted its a no brainer. yes i know i will need undercoat and what not. but the fact remains, that painters charge way way way to much. then take into account you could drive down the road and chip it or crash.

The point im trying to make is, painters have the problem of over heads. and by what ive seen they make no effort to reduce them, they just pass them on. and on top of that, they have no concreate quoting system, they just do it by guessing. so with those two things in mind, a gap forms between how much i can do it for and how much they charge.

Think about any service we have done, i bet you most of the time, when you have the professionals do it. they have there pricing set as to allow them profit, but make you feel "well for an extra few hundred they can do it and save me the hassle", painters have no idea how to sell there service, buy explaining why its costs so much, and then give you a stupid quote which leaves you feeling "jog on mate, you think i came over on the bananna boat"

Edited by newnham500, 12 March 2012 - 11:51 AM.

[Nikral]

Reading your comments i have come to the conclusion you have no idea what running a business costs, from local council rents which are not negotiable to insurance paymets which to be honest are astronomical. Out of interest how many cars have you painted in the past for other people who demand a high level of finish.

[ANON]

Im Not so stuipd to assum painters dont have to pay these costs, but the problem comes when i can get the gear and do it myself for a faction of the cost....

but you don't have the overheads, simple as.

[newnham500]

I think its quite apparent i havent done a full respray on any car, i have done bits and bobs which has given me the confidence to want to try it myself. And as for business. How can you come to that conclusion without knowing anything about me, just because my views contradict with yours. Dont confuse lazzyness with and inabilty to cut costs, all businesses can cut costs. Just so you know, i have a very good idea what business costs, as i have just sold my second business for a profit.

[newnham500]

Anon, im well aware i dont have the over heads. but when you or anyone else can show me a break down of how and why those overheads are causing the job to cost 1400/1500 i will stand corrected, but i will also show you or them there are ways to reduce those.