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[ANON]

i've given you the basics, go and price it all up including materials and work it all out for yourself. or maybe set up as a consultant to body shops and go save them some money.
might i ask what the businesses were that you sold and how long they ran for?

[Shifty]

Trust me painting a car with a spraygun is a lot different to using a rattle can.

******* it up or get a reaction, that's £200 down the drain.

For every person that makes a top notch job of it on their first attempt there's a 100000 who balls it up.

Every mini is different, the panel gaps, has the roof been run over, door fit, dents, rust.

Stuff like that costs money to put right.

If I were to work out what it actually costs me to paint a car in time/materials etc there probably wouldn't be much difference in paying to have it done.

Then there's the issue of resale, a car with a 2nd rate Paintjob will always be worth less than one with a pro job.

[newnham500]

You may,

It was a martial arts business, that started with me and nothing more than alot of determination and a failing school. with no budget for anything, a school that had six students, losing money hand over fist. i grew the bussiness buy planning, developing my marketing skills, and saving costs mostly. then came the point i wanted to sell it, five years later. i had 5 schools, one employed admin. 130 students, and an influx of about 30 memebers a month.

i had to learn the hard way, that if you dont explain a sale in a clear well understandable way. you wont get the sale. i also had to learn how to save money like nothing, cause extra costs on the business stops your growth.

[newnham500]

shifty, all points well taken. but my frame of mind tells me. if you can do it, then so can i. now if you were to offer to do it for a price that doesnt make my wallet Sh** itself and run away, then i would prefer a pro job everytime. all im saying is, either your costs are to high. or your sales pitch is all wrong

Edited by newnham500, 12 March 2012 - 12:37 PM.

[midridge2]

things tp think about when getting a quote, does the bodyshop want the job, if no then they will quote you a high price.
a mini is one of the worst cars for painting.
i do agree that if you do the prep work yourself and a painter is happy to do the paint work only then yes it should be a fixed price but it all depends at the end of the day on over heads for each bodyshop.

depending on what type of paint used will affect the price, the size of the garage and amount of staff employed who do the office work etc, area its in as that has a big say in rent, insurance, buisness rates etc. how busy the workshop is, why take your car in when they make more money from insurance work, the hourly rate they charge. to many variables for there to be a fixed price.

as shifty has said what if there is a paint reaction because of the prep work, who pays for the isolator and extra time of putting that on and the gas for the oven etc, garages put more paint on than from a rattle can so the paint is better protected, it allows them to flat and polish without buffing through etc.

you are not so much paying for experiance of the painter, you are paying for materials and running costs, bodyshops are in the game to make a profit so they have to pay good wages to get the best people who can do the job once because come backs cost money.

[Shifty]

Heh heh!! I wouldn't even consider painting a car for someone else as a paying job, I'm not good enough!!!

I did do an xr2 for a mate and that turned out ok, I think he gave me £100 to cover my costs(some would say he was robbed!!)









There's people who I would trust to paint a car for me and they're around the £800-£1000 mark.

[Bristol Mini]

I'd say that's a pretty good job myself. My mini was resprayed orange just before i bought it. It cost the bloke £800 and i can see why it was so cheap, there are a few runs in the paint and some random cracks. Buy cheap, buy twice.

[Shifty]

Trust me............its not as good as it looks!!

Note the fly on the rear 1/4.

[MarkGTT]

Painting a car is an art, it takes technique that you will need to learn. Paint and consumables normally comes in at £200 / £300 for a full respray in my experience.

To get a great finish it takes many hours by a skilled tradesman for a professional job, i would expect (and be happy) to pay £1500 + for a flawless finish.

You can do it yourself, and im a huge advocate of 'have a go' and i got a decent finish using a modern paint. 2K paint can be cut back a fair bit removing blemishes and polished with a cutting compound.. again this took days of hard work.

Oh and dont forget if using 2k paint get an air fed mask, chemical death cant be good.

[Carlos W]

The bitterness of poor quality lasts long after the cheap price is forgotten

[MarkGTT]

The bitterness of poor quality lasts long after the cheap price is forgotten

well said.

[Carlos W]

I can make a Sunday dinner for 4 people cheaper than my sister charges in her pub!

However, for the time it takes me to cook that Sunday dinner I can earn more than my sister charges in her pub and if I eat there I don't have to do the washing up or use my electricity or gas!

It would probably take a week for me to paint a car, flat it down, polish it etc!!

Or I could be earning money to pay someone else to do a far better job

Edited by Carlos W, 12 March 2012 - 09:05 PM.

[Neildanks]

I do my own now but only as i dont have the money to pay for a quality job.
But having said that, after doing all the prep ( 24 Hours ) and primer 2 coats, basecoat 2 coats, laquer 2 tor 3 coats , Then any repairs say runs buffing id say taht £1200 for that lot in a garage was reasonable. considering all the overheads specially with a guarentee.

Fact is untill you see the finish of your own work and see how much time and effort went in you'll never know

[valve bounce]

but when the gun is 50, and the paint is 80/90. compaired to the 1400 i was quoted its a no brainer.

a £50 gun wont be up to much believe me ive tried about 4 different ones at a similar price, ok they will put paint on but thats about it my current one cost about £90 and it ok for now. as for paint the last full mini i painted was red and white and the paint was alot more than that,
good quality top coat 2.5 liters £90
2 liters high build primer £50
masking tape 3 rolls £2
wet and dry paper 15 sheets £7.50
filler £20
paint cups and filters £5
hardner, thinners gun wash £40
panel wipe, tack rags £10
then there's electricity, gas for heating and water
its most certainly not as cheap as you think

******* it up or get a reaction, that's £200 down the drain.

For every person that makes a top notch job of iron their first attempt there's a 100000 who balls it up.

yep ive ballsed several up and then spend money redoing it, some days i can half assed have ago then stand back and think wow ive done well, then other days im looking for a bridge to jump from.

[Shifty]

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