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Self Prep Respray / Blowover
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, Mar 12 2012 09:17 AM
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Posted 12 March 2012 - 11:12 PM
To the guy moaning about 1400 pounds.
I dont think you understand how much work it is to PROPERLY prep a car even as small as a mini.
How many hours do you think it takes? 5? 10? Try 40.
Then take into consideration that they have waste materials that cost a lot of money do dispose of, rates, taxes, wages.
1400, is more then cheap if the work is any good.
To the OP.
A decent painter wont touch a car that someone else has prepped. Because it wont be flat.
I dont think you understand how much work it is to PROPERLY prep a car even as small as a mini.
How many hours do you think it takes? 5? 10? Try 40.
Then take into consideration that they have waste materials that cost a lot of money do dispose of, rates, taxes, wages.
1400, is more then cheap if the work is any good.
To the OP.
A decent painter wont touch a car that someone else has prepped. Because it wont be flat.
Edited by Sam Walters, 12 March 2012 - 11:14 PM.
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Posted 12 March 2012 - 11:50 PM
if i could try and reign tis in a little,
can i diferentiate between a show paint job and a, it looks ok paint job, thats what i was trying to achieve here.
many of us do our own cars, welding on a front or adding a flip, new door skin, light resto etc.
my 998 is just a white mayfair and i have done a couple of panels and a roof, with cans, (not the Pi** thin carplan rubbish from halfords, i mean the good ones you can ge from a paint supplier, with the good nozzles that give a big wide fan)
my car is miles away from show winning, but its white all over ( other than the roof) and turns heads every day, just because its a funky little mini, and people ove minis, total cost of cans, probably £40 including primer and paint, not perfect, but PLENTY good enough on an every day mini.
that said, Idealy i would have had her blown over so she was all bob on the same colour, but no one was giving a price, it wasnt urgent, so i just havn't bothered.
The point of the thread was to try and either encourage traders to put their hand in the air and say, over here, come to me and i will blow it over in red, or white or blue for £x as it stands. door gaps?? mine are probably allover the place but whilst some are very....particular lets say, others are just more practical and something being 1 0r 2mm off perfection pales in to insignificance, if your not that arsed about paying fortunes for paint, but you got it done anyway, AND you had food all month!?
2 final things,
1 when i paint i always flat and flat and flat, then clean and clean and clean, then wipe and wipe and wipe, (have only ever used petrol) and truthfully have never ever had orange peel sagging or crazing, a few runs now and then
(impatient) but nothing else.
finaly
mr shifty, when you painted the xr2 was there any particular reason why you pinted every inch of it...? even every inch of the masked areas? i recon you could have saved about a grand on paint there bud?
can i diferentiate between a show paint job and a, it looks ok paint job, thats what i was trying to achieve here.
many of us do our own cars, welding on a front or adding a flip, new door skin, light resto etc.
my 998 is just a white mayfair and i have done a couple of panels and a roof, with cans, (not the Pi** thin carplan rubbish from halfords, i mean the good ones you can ge from a paint supplier, with the good nozzles that give a big wide fan)
my car is miles away from show winning, but its white all over ( other than the roof) and turns heads every day, just because its a funky little mini, and people ove minis, total cost of cans, probably £40 including primer and paint, not perfect, but PLENTY good enough on an every day mini.
that said, Idealy i would have had her blown over so she was all bob on the same colour, but no one was giving a price, it wasnt urgent, so i just havn't bothered.
The point of the thread was to try and either encourage traders to put their hand in the air and say, over here, come to me and i will blow it over in red, or white or blue for £x as it stands. door gaps?? mine are probably allover the place but whilst some are very....particular lets say, others are just more practical and something being 1 0r 2mm off perfection pales in to insignificance, if your not that arsed about paying fortunes for paint, but you got it done anyway, AND you had food all month!?
2 final things,
1 when i paint i always flat and flat and flat, then clean and clean and clean, then wipe and wipe and wipe, (have only ever used petrol) and truthfully have never ever had orange peel sagging or crazing, a few runs now and then
(impatient) but nothing else.finaly
mr shifty, when you painted the xr2 was there any particular reason why you pinted every inch of it...? even every inch of the masked areas? i recon you could have saved about a grand on paint there bud?
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Posted 13 March 2012 - 01:03 AM
A 1400 pounds paint job is not a show standard job. Lets not get it twisted.
If you want show standard, youll be paying a considerable ammount more then that.
I think people need to look at the fact that they need a paintjob or not in a lot of places.
A good cut and compound can bring back paintwork back into a much better state, add in some new chrome and youll be supprised how much nicer a car can look.
If you want show standard, youll be paying a considerable ammount more then that.
I think people need to look at the fact that they need a paintjob or not in a lot of places.
A good cut and compound can bring back paintwork back into a much better state, add in some new chrome and youll be supprised how much nicer a car can look.
Edited by Sam Walters, 13 March 2012 - 01:06 AM.
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Posted 13 March 2012 - 09:52 AM
Dame, I think you are always going to struggle to find a professional to paint your car to your low standards.
Perhaps a local Painter and Decorator would be a better bet for you.
Perhaps a local Painter and Decorator would be a better bet for you.
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Posted 13 March 2012 - 11:28 AM
Dame, I think you are always going to struggle to find a professional to paint your car to your low standards.
Perhaps a local Painter and Decorator would be a better bet for you.
whats the point of that?
i dont see a need for a sarky comment?
this was ment as a helpfull thread, what have you gained with a veiled insult., be a good chap and refrain from unpleasantness eh?
facts are facts and as i have said before it was always possible to get a self prep respray done, and it was always a couple of hundred quid,, i had a vw camper done for £300, it was fine, perhaps your not as aold as me and so are not as aware of what has gone before but I speak the truth.
Sam, who is twisting things?
£1400 is a huge amount of mony to paint a very small car,
even an earlier poster on this thread said that with paint and tack cloths etc it was about £200 for materials, so why is it suddenly £1200 in labour ( garage costs not withstanding) even at £40 an hour is it actualy going to take him 30 hours to paint it? i dont think so?
but i am happy to accept that i must be wrong as so many good people are happy to just accept what is told to them so this is me conceding the point, and dropping out of the debate, i have no interest or desire for conflict, enjoy your expensive paint jobs, i'll enjoy my money better spent elsewhere
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Posted 13 March 2012 - 11:29 AM
sorry if this has been said already but i havent gone through it all as the first page was enough.
I'm a mechanic and have been for many many years and i've also had my own business and i can tell you now that you won't get much of a wage out of £3000 a week once the bills have been accounted for and i would imagine a bodyshop running an oven would be quite alot dearer.
i've tried painting many times with mates, colleuges and contacts that are in the trade and to be honest i'd have got a better finish if i'd have spat the paint at it!!!!.
even a pro painter will not get as good results in his garage as he will in his bodyshop.
its all black magic and witch craft and pro painters have my up most respect.
there seems to be a debate over good job and OK jobs, who would want an OK job on their pride and joy for the sake of saving a few quid?
i was quoted £1500 from colour works in Thorne, Doncaster for a full job and that includes dropping the car off, they will strip and prep it as well as paint and looking at the classic cars they had parked outside i was super impressed, they seemed honest, explained everything they would do, how long they would need it etc.
i'd sooner spend £1500 and have a proper job done than just an ok job with the risk of runs, sinking, sagging, reactions etc etc.
plus they cover their work so if anything goes wrong it will get sorted. id rather pay and have it done properly than drive round in a wrinkly mini.
I'm a mechanic and have been for many many years and i've also had my own business and i can tell you now that you won't get much of a wage out of £3000 a week once the bills have been accounted for and i would imagine a bodyshop running an oven would be quite alot dearer.
i've tried painting many times with mates, colleuges and contacts that are in the trade and to be honest i'd have got a better finish if i'd have spat the paint at it!!!!.
even a pro painter will not get as good results in his garage as he will in his bodyshop.
its all black magic and witch craft and pro painters have my up most respect.
there seems to be a debate over good job and OK jobs, who would want an OK job on their pride and joy for the sake of saving a few quid?
i was quoted £1500 from colour works in Thorne, Doncaster for a full job and that includes dropping the car off, they will strip and prep it as well as paint and looking at the classic cars they had parked outside i was super impressed, they seemed honest, explained everything they would do, how long they would need it etc.
i'd sooner spend £1500 and have a proper job done than just an ok job with the risk of runs, sinking, sagging, reactions etc etc.
plus they cover their work so if anything goes wrong it will get sorted. id rather pay and have it done properly than drive round in a wrinkly mini.
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Posted 13 March 2012 - 12:18 PM
Don't dismiss the painter and decorator comments!
There's a lot of people on here who have achieved acceptable results using roller painting.
Doing it that way doesn't require much in the way of specialist tools either.
To me a blowover has always been something you do to an old knacker to flog it. Bare minimum just to get shot.
There's a lot of people on here who have achieved acceptable results using roller painting.
Doing it that way doesn't require much in the way of specialist tools either.
To me a blowover has always been something you do to an old knacker to flog it. Bare minimum just to get shot.
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Posted 13 March 2012 - 01:26 PM
so why is it suddenly £1200 in labour ( garage costs not withstanding) even at £40 an hour is it actualy going to take him 30 hours to paint it? i dont think so?
insurance time for painting a mini shell in primer is 40 hours, go and work in a paint shop and look at the work involved in painting a mini then come back and speak with the knowledge gained.
insurance time for painting a mini shell in primer is 40 hours, go and work in a paint shop and look at the work involved in painting a mini then come back and speak with the knowledge gained.
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Posted 13 March 2012 - 06:09 PM
Id say 40 hours is about right for a rub down and respray. Bare metal perhaps 60?
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Posted 13 March 2012 - 07:20 PM
Don't dismiss the painter and decorator comments!
No disrespect to Painters and Decorators, Shifty. The guy just gave me the hump!
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Posted 13 March 2012 - 07:23 PM
If you can get a car from bare metal to primer in 20 hours then you've got a job for life.
I did a bare metal once and they take utterly ages, every single little ding and dent that the car has accrued over its life needs to be attended to, all those layers of paint were hiding them.
All will need to be panel beaten and the filled before you can even touch it with etch and then layer on layer of primer filler, then the guide coat(s)
Utter utter nightmare.
One other thing about low price jobs, in my experience they're cheap for a reason.
The idea that you're happy to 'only' pay £500 for a quick job usually disappears when the punter sees it, orange peel, odd run. All off a sudden you haven't saved £1000, you've wasted £500.
I did a bare metal once and they take utterly ages, every single little ding and dent that the car has accrued over its life needs to be attended to, all those layers of paint were hiding them.
All will need to be panel beaten and the filled before you can even touch it with etch and then layer on layer of primer filler, then the guide coat(s)
Utter utter nightmare.
One other thing about low price jobs, in my experience they're cheap for a reason.
The idea that you're happy to 'only' pay £500 for a quick job usually disappears when the punter sees it, orange peel, odd run. All off a sudden you haven't saved £1000, you've wasted £500.
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Posted 13 March 2012 - 07:38 PM
Been there on the ritz and i still have a couple of areas to addressBefore you get this..
This happens(twice)
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Posted 13 March 2012 - 07:41 PM
Bleeding nightmare, on that car it happened twice in 2 different places.
Ended up flatting it right back and bar-coating it.
That cost a fortune in the end.
Ended up flatting it right back and bar-coating it.
That cost a fortune in the end.
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Posted 13 March 2012 - 09:32 PM
this is what i got for my £600.. crappy body prep,4weeks wait and constant fob offs.doors that didnt match the colour of the rest of the car,runs,and rust showing through within 3months of going on the road.just proves u get what u pay for.....and i had to buy my own paint lol.
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