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#46 Black.Ghost

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 08:30 AM

Some of the people in this thread are so up their own arses it's amazing.

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I think you're first statement is incredibly rude. I don't need a 'reality check'. Its clear to me that a fair few people in this thread are just repeating what others have said earlier on, just re-phrasing them. I think you first need to apologise to Craig. Think of me as you wish, but this thread was me asking about some re-assurance about my future. Not for you to have a dig at Craig.

Oh and for your information, I did that. Instead of having a week off for half term, I asked Simon if i could do some work at Mini-Spares. I worked my arse of and thank fully he offered me a part time Job.

What I'm doing now has nothing to do with it however, I'm beginning to loose enjoyment in my college course, mainly due to the fact that I'm now doing a level 2 course in something silly like 8 weeks and its stressing me out, to the extent where, I'm not enjoying it, That has made me think, once I've done all this studying. Will i enjoy it afterwards.

No one is up their own arse. The people providing the opinions you don't like are just all older and wiser, and giving advice from their own personal experiences. That is essentially what you asked for so don't be upset if they are not what you want to hear.

Secondly, I don't think its rude at all, and I'm not apologising to anyone. I fully understand why Craig left, and if you read any of my posts in his thread you would see that in the main I agree with what he did. There is no reason for anyone to be treated like ****. But there is a difference between doing the dull rubbish jobs than being treated like ****. You both give the slight impression of wanting to jump in higher than the bottom rung because its not entirely what you want. Life just does not work like that at all. Only a lucky few get to be in that position, and they generally come from money. Its the way of the World.

Even if you are losing interest, its worth sticking with. If you can take what you have learnt so far, and switch modules or something and take it in a different direction, then that might be something to consider. Jacking it all in now, in my opinion is not the best idea. It shows to future employers that you don't/can't/won't stick with something when it gets tough/boring. Every job has **** days and employers don't want someone who will be there a year, and then leave because they get bored. Not in the long term anyway. Occasionally, they may need someone just for short periods but especially when training is involved, it costs the company money. You become an investment for them.

Doing the work experience is a good thing, but you never mentioned any of that, and the work experience thing was merely advice not having a go at you. Keep going along that line - but think of all the jobs you might want to do, and find companies you can do that with and see what you like best. At the moment, you are still young enough that you could change direction quite easily with no detrimental effects. But stay studying something, or get on an apprentice ship or something. Something that shows commitment.

Even Richard Branson started by selling CDs in a phone box. And now look at him.He is the owner of one very famous brand and is looking to launch a business offering space flights. Not bad when you put your mind to something.

if you think people are repeating what others are saying, maybe its because they all have the same opinion on it, having been through it themselves?

If you don't want honest opinions, don't ask questions on a public forum.

#47 Mini-Mad-Craig

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 12:23 PM

I think you and Craig need a bit of a reality check Noah. I know Craig had his own reasons for leaving the apprenticeship, but whatever career you start in you will have to start at the bottom and work up. That involves doing **** jobs and that is just a fact of life and something you have to deal with. If you don't, you will never make it any career. That by no means you should be treated like **** the whole time, but it does mean crap jobs. The other people there have done their time, and will have done the crap jobs. Its those crap jobs that are the motivators to work hard, keep your head down and progress. The better you are at those (and that doesn't just mean doing them well, it means no whinging about it) the quicker you will progress to the better/more interesting stuff.


I had no problem with the work I was doing and the pay was fine too. It's just when you're in a small unit for 40 hours with somebody who doesn't really like you, is massively hard to get on with and just makes everything awkward its a little bit hard not to dread going into work everyday! Especially when it's you and just one other guy. Maybe I do need to just man up and face it but I've never been somebody that finds confrontations easy, I'd rather say 'yes' to somebody even if I dont agree with it because I find it easier as a person than to make an uneasy situation. I'm not the type of person that can stand up for myself easy or tell somebody to f*ck off or get rowdy (Which it seems in this trade is how things seem to be dealt with, or at least if you wish to last) because it just isn't how I deal with things, I never get worked up or angry and I dont show it. Obviously that makes people think they can walk all over me and in some cases I guess they can, but that doesn't mean I put up with it.

~Not an attack at Black Ghost, just my contribution to the thread~ :P

I'd rather work somewhere with decent people that I dont have to try to be somebody else around than having to pretend all day. If people dont have the humanity to treat me with respect, then I dont want to spend my time working for them. Whether it's working as 'just an apprentice' (I dont see how this makes you worth any less as a person) Or as a trained worker, it isn't fair to treat anybody like sh*t.

The world is just the one that we created. For me as a person I'd rather carry on trying jobs until I find a place I can settle into, not dread etc, than just 'man up', 'reality check' or anything like that. It doesn't take a lot to treat a person with respect, and if I spend the rest of my life swapping between jobs trying to find that place (which I guess in the society of today might be pretty tough) then I'd rather look back and know that I didnt spend years of my life in regret or dread about work.

And I guess a lot of people will read stuff like this thread regarding starting at the bottom (of which I had no problem with, I had experience in cars, Minis, Metros, and am massively passionate about Motorsport, but that doesnt mean I had any experience in the trade of mechanical engineering, of which is completely different and I was always the first to admit this) and think 'Thats life.' - But to me, as a person, it's only 'life' if its the life that you're happy to settle into and accept. As they say, Life is what you make it. You being the keyword there. It's your own.

I have great respect for those of you that have finished an apprenticeship and put up with it taking the good times with the bad times for the years that it took, including my own dad and brother, and I wish I found it possible to do that myself. Something just stops me in my mind and always has, once I get put into a bad place over something I find it very hard to carry on with it.

I have a lot in my life and I appreciate it all so much. I can look back on these days and know I always put what I cared for most first. Whilst those things might not always have wanted to be a priority, they always were and always will be. I'm not driven by money, or success in a job and maybe in todays soceity thats tough, it's looked down on to not be driven by having a great career, or at least a steady occupation, or to not be certain on what you want or ready to settle down, or from my experience at least. I can live my life how everybody else wants me to, but I know I won't be happy doing that. If it means taking stick for needing a reality check,and not settling into anything then I'm happy with that, because I know that its my life, the reality that I have doesn't need checking, because I live it everyday.

Is it about finishing an apprenticeship that you're not sure you want to carry on with once its finished just to prove to employers that you're willing to stick it out and learn, or is it about looking for what you think can actually make you happy? How is it anybodys place to decide that it's 'about' anything? Look at the bigger picture and when Im 80 and 18 I know I can look back on a life and know that I focused on what was important to me, and thats far more eternal to me than 'being something' in the disposable life that you're expected to follow today.

Edited by Mini-Mad-Craig, 26 February 2013 - 01:07 PM.


#48 Black.Ghost

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 03:18 PM

Not taken as an attack in the slightest.

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 03:38 PM

Theres always a car that will need fixing, even the new ones tend to break, my dad used to be a mechanic, he'd still be happy doing it but unfortunately where he worked had a flood so they had to close, he's a caretaker at a school now, as long as he's fixing something, whether its cars, shelves, windows, he's happy, don't give up hope on your dream to fix cars, at least you know what you want to do, when i was 16 i didn't have a clue, i'm 21 this year and still have no idea what it is i want to do, if you enjoy it then i'd stick with it. :D

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 07:45 PM

I know people make career changes and plenty of people do, I've spoken with Jason about stuff like this, he was a mechanic and now, well I don't actually know what it is, he doesn't seem to do much ;)


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

I thought I was meant to be trolling you! By the way I tried the REME when I was 18 and you would not like the haircut, :lol:

If you want a chat you have my number. I would say you are young do what you enjoy and do not think about 20 years time as you probably will not be doing the same job then anyway. Having a trade or a Degree or both to fall back on is no bad thing.

On the money front I do ok ask my accountant. :lol:

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Posted 27 February 2013 - 11:47 AM

So from day one I've always wanted to be a mechanic, and even up to know studying it I still really enjoy it but I'm constantly having nagging thoughts in the back of my mind that I'm investing precious time and effort into a trade that well let's be honest is dying out.


Don't be that harsh on yourself, people will always drive cars, so there'll always be a need to develop new cars.
Don't look at service garages, get an apprenticeship and get into somewhere like Ford as a fitter/technician.
They'll train you, pay you well, give you a pension etc, and you work in a nicely heated workshop with a dozen or so other technicians.

Follow this link for Ford's example http://www.ford.co.u...Careers-at-Ford
I'd be surprised if Nissan, JLR, etc don't have similar.

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Posted 27 February 2013 - 11:52 AM

Not at 16 I'm not.

I like where I live, I don't particularly want to leave London.


Back to my point - Ford are in Dagenham and Dunton, (we have people working here who live in Wimbledon, Barking, Islington, etc).

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Posted 27 February 2013 - 12:08 PM

I'll look into that dave, thanks.

I've just had an E-mail through from Merc inviting me for an interview and assessments day. It's in Milton Keynes and is on a day where I'm at college....

I'll speak with dad but I'll end up going none the less.

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Posted 27 February 2013 - 12:09 PM

Its nice to be local to where you work but that is not always possible.

You do limit your choices that way. Since i left the RAF in 93 my minimum commute one way has been at least 47 miles and when i worked at Stansted Airport it was a round trip of 152 miles after a 14 hr shift. That is the nature of my trade. You travel to where the work is.

I have moved down south to be back near my family and the coast so i still have a round trip of a 100 miles. I have bought a house that i can afford that i want and not having to buy something i do not want a lot closer to work. And to buy my house i am in now would cost me over 100k more if i was closer to Gatwick so that is out of the equation.

You have choices no matter what and it does entirely depend on what you want out of life. I enjoy what i do and i am still learning to this day. Its not been easy but if it was easy it would have been boring.

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Posted 27 February 2013 - 02:33 PM

You travel to where the work is


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Noah, don't know if this is how you intended to come across, but it sounds like you want to walk into a job, a couple rungs up from the bottom. You talk about crappy apprenticeships getting £2.95 an hour as if they're not worth doing, but getting paid for your training is a pretty sweet deal.

I'm in my second year of a three year science degree (which I have to pay for) so I can get onto a four/five year medicine degree (which I'll have to pay for). When I'm finished, the only work experience I'll have is the voluntary work I'm doing.

The fact that the career you want to follow has an apprenticeship path makes you lucky. Saying you don't want to move around to get to where the jobs are is cutting your possibilities massively.

Even living away from home for a couple of years to get your foot in the door (let's face it, the first job is the hardest to get) isn't the worst thing in the world.

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Posted 27 February 2013 - 07:09 PM


You travel to where the work is.


The work is where you travel to...

To work is why you travel..

To travel is why you work.


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Posted 27 February 2013 - 07:16 PM


You travel to where the work is.


The work is where you travel to...

To work is why you travel..

To travel is why you work.


All hail the peoples Poet!!!! :D :D

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 05:13 PM

Life isn't about money. When you start thinking it is, that's when problems start. Find something you enjoy (minispares?) and do it for a while, The right thing will come up at the right time. And it'll feel natural and correct and that's what you'll do.

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 05:17 PM

There's nothing wrong with having to travel to work. Unless its the bus. I hate the bus. Coaches are not too bad. But you can either cycle, train or car, all of which has plus points to it.

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 05:20 PM

Oil or Water industry... if i was telling you for a career change, which im not, because you'll work in motor trade.




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