38 replies to this topic

[keefr22]

As long as the bar is made from the correct grade of steel and not silly thin tube I fail to see why there would ever be a problem.  Better that you are strapped to thick tube than thin sheet steel like the parcel shelf.

 

That's a bit logical for the MSA though Dave...!! 

 

I can't be bothered to give myself a headache reading the Blur Book today, but I think you're right & as long as the correct grade steel tube is used it's fine - I'm sure there's a reg. in there somewhere...!! But I also seem to recall it's only a harness bar that can be added to a homologated cage unless any other additions are also homologated by the cage manufacturer?

[rally1380]

Merther - what sort of rallying are we talking about???

[merther]

I'm talking about daylight historic road rallies, like the hrcr clubman champ. I wasn't criticising your harness bar, just on a previous occasion I have had an 'issue' with a scrutineer relating to my harness bar, That was on a stage rally...

[rally1380]

I'm talking about daylight historic road rallies, like the hrcr clubman champ. I wasn't criticising your harness bar, just on a previous occasion I have had an 'issue' with a scrutineer relating to my harness bar, That was on a stage rally...

 

No i was more wondering if i'd missed something that you had spotted.

 

You could hang the car from the harness bar no problem!!!!

 

I have done 2 HRCR events, 4 night events and the harness bar has never even been mentioned....gutted really as i'm very proud of it!

[Mini 360]

Jon betts harness bar.  Crashed my car at the weekend and it saved me flying through the windscreen.  

Edited by Mini 360, 09 October 2013 - 06:20 PM.

[rally1380]

Jon betts harness bar.  Crashed my car at the weekend and it saved me flying through the windscreen.  

 

Now there is an endorsement!!!  Hope you are ok?

[Mini 360]

 

Jon betts harness bar.  Crashed my car at the weekend and it saved me flying through the windscreen.  

 

Now there is an endorsement!!!  Hope you are ok?

 

Yeh Im fine, whiplash is a beatch btu shows how well the bar worked!  Cars a mess but repairable.... http://www.theminifo...esto/?p=2909337

[Sam]

I wouldn't want one of those harness bars, especially bolted to the rear arches. The forces in a crash can be massive.

 

Do it properly and tie the harness bar in with the roll cage.

[Mini 360]

Jon betts harness bar.  Crashed my car at the weekend and it saved me flying through the windscreen.  

 

 

I wouldn't want one of those harness bars, especially bolted to the rear arches. The forces in a crash can be massive.

 

Do it properly and tie the harness bar in with the roll cage.

 

No matter what you do to a Mini its never going to be a good thing to be in in the event of a crash.  This bar saved my face.  It may have made an improvement if I did hit the screen but still it worked!

[Sam]

My opinion is that it doesn't look strong enough and doesn't mount in a decent place. The arches are only spot welded and could very well be rusty on a Mini.

 

Two people of 100kg each in a 10g crash could be exerting 2 tonnes on that bar.

 

The proper way to do it is to have a harness bar mounted on a roll cage.

 

Also, a seperate point, you should never have harnesses and buckets fitted without a roll cage - if you roll over and the roof caves in, you could very well be pinned into your seat at the roof comes in.

Edited by Sam, 09 October 2013 - 08:59 PM.

[BronkoMini]

 
Also, a seperate point, you should never have harnesses and buckets fitted without a roll cage - if you roll over and the roof caves in, you could very well be pinned into your seat at the roof comes in.

That's what I got told when I said to my grandad that I wanted bucket seats, so now I'm waiting till I get a cage

[rally1380]

My opinion is that it doesn't look strong enough and doesn't mount in a decent place. The arches are only spot welded and could very well be rusty on a Mini.

 

Two people of 100kg each in a 10g crash could be exerting 2 tonnes on that bar.

 

The proper way to do it is to have a harness bar mounted on a roll cage.

 

Also, a seperate point, you should never have harnesses and buckets fitted without a roll cage - if you roll over and the roof caves in, you could very well be pinned into your seat at the roof comes in.

 

Not too sure I agree.....can you please explain your reason?  How is a roof coming down on you in normal seats with normal belts any better??

 

If anything, full back bucket seats will offer better protection than any standard seat....especially in a mini where the standard seats are low anyway.

[Gremlin]

My opinion is that it doesn't look strong enough and doesn't mount in a decent place. The arches are only spot welded and could very well be rusty on a Mini.
 
Two people of 100kg each in a 10g crash could be exerting 2 tonnes on that bar.
 
The proper way to do it is to have a harness bar mounted on a roll cage.
 
Also, a seperate point, you should never have harnesses and buckets fitted without a roll cage - if you roll over and the roof caves in, you could very well be pinned into your seat at the roof comes in.

 
Not too sure I agree.....can you please explain your reason?  How is a roof coming down on you in normal seats with normal belts any better??
 
If anything, full back bucket seats will offer better protection than any standard seat....especially in a mini where the standard seats are low anyway.

I agree, also bucket seats that have a bar above the top of your head will act as a mini roll cage, obviously not very effectively but everything helps

[BronkoMini]

I think it's because you can't lean down if the roof does cave in?

[Mini 360]

Yeh I would never get in one of these supercars with buckets and harnesses that dont come with a cage.

 

Each to their own.  Can never win on TMF.