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#1 montyc

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Posted 23 January 2014 - 01:24 PM

hi guys, 

 

having a little problem, i stopped at a services for a food break on a long journey and upon starting the mini up the dash lights, indicator lights and rear lights were not working. i checked the fuse and it was fine, called the AA etc. after about 15 mins i tried again and they were working again, so i cancelled the AA callout and carried on. its not been a problem before or since but its slightly worrying.

 

im not great with electrics and was wondering if anyone has any ideas as to what is going on just to stop it happening again.

 

cheers

 

 



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Posted 23 January 2014 - 02:49 PM

We need to know which Mini you have, at least the year, whether alternator and dynamo, and centre speedo or triple instrument cluster etc, in order to know the configuration of your electrical system. Special variants with fancy trim etc don't mean much, it is just the base vehicle configuration that matters. Or, how many fuses you have, a double fuse box, same with some inline fuses too, a 4 fuse box and some inline, or a larger box.

 

The reason I am asking for more specifics is that, as far as I am aware, there is no Mini which has a single fuse controlling both lights and indicators. It would actually be impossible, as the lights are fed from the battery feed (brown circuit) while the indicators are fed from the green, fused from the ignition-controlled white. And, fusing all the lights with a single fuse is illegal and dangerous.

 

Make a clear list of exactly what did not work. Headlights, for instance. Did the headlight flasher still work? Electrical fault diagnosis depends on as full and accurate information as possible. I once diagnosed a fault on a large turboprop airliner which was stranded in Rekjavik on the way to its first Farnborough air show, down to a pair of wires, on the basis of accurate but very limited information. When the offending unit arrived back for repair, we found that it had been damaged during a last-minute gearbox change, and sure enough, the relevant two pins on one of the connectors were damaged. So it can be done, given as much information as possible....

 

Meanwhile, it is always a good idea to clean up all the fuses, terminals and bullet connectors in the car and apply a generous amount of Vaseline, to discourage corrosion. There are special greases for that purpose, but Vaseline is ok and readily available.



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Posted 23 January 2014 - 05:01 PM

The fuse boxes can give intermittent faults. They corrode and the only solution is replacement.



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Posted 23 January 2014 - 05:59 PM

Sounds like another case of loose or corroded spade terminals, on mine the spades were clean (ish) and well secured giving an impression of being OK but the wires were corroded and broken where they are crimped into the factory spade terminals, a prod was enough to have stuff going on and off as was pulling off at junctions etc!



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Posted 23 January 2014 - 06:32 PM

right, so i'll check out the fuse box for corrosion and clean it off with a wire brush, and the spade terminals going into the fusebox too. all other electrical bits are working. and as far as i can see its wired as per the haynes manual for the 4 fuse box, so the circuit for the indicators and dash lights etc is the problem.



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Posted 23 January 2014 - 06:51 PM

Well, that has narrowed it down, but there must be two problems, not unusual due to the age of all Minis now. It is a good start to be referring to the Haynes manual, which will show you which fuses are involved. I always go by the wire colours, which are the same on all Minis, because the fuse arrangements were changed several times. Indicators and dash lights are quite seperate, however it is quite possible for both to be disrupted simply by moving the wires during maintenance operations, or by the air filter rubbing as the engine rocks, there not being much clearance between the air filter body and the back of the instrument area on centre speedo models in particular.

 

If a good clean up of the fuse box and all its terminals does not suffice, you should look also at the flasher relay (location varies), hazard switch (a common problem) and the red wire at the back of the main light switch. I once had an apparent indicator failure because the hazard switch had been knocked and was not in the fully off position, thus disrupting the normal indicator circuit.



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Posted 23 January 2014 - 07:30 PM

strangely, hazard lights still worked during the incident, and it was all the lights that were meant to be on the circuit which stopped working, so will have a go cleaning the terminals etc tonight, and hopefully that will rectify the problem... good idea to disconnect the battery when i clean them?



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Posted 23 January 2014 - 08:32 PM

Yes, always a good idea! Always disconnect the negative terminal, that way if your spanner slips and shorts to earth there will not be a problem.



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Posted 23 January 2014 - 09:14 PM

yea, i may have just worked that out the hard way. terminals and spade connectors have been cleaned, they were pretty dirty so hopefully that will have fixed it, wont know unless it happens again. short of taking out all the wiring i'm not sure what else i can do, so fingers crossed.

 

cheers for the help guys







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