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#16 JackF

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Posted 15 January 2015 - 12:59 PM

 

 

I can't see to be 100% sure, however it's likely that the Hubs are proper Disc types for a Mini (have a look at the ball joints, if they have a grease nipple, then they are very likely Mini ones), and if this is the case, these are the same ones as were fitted to the Cooper S with 7.5" Discs, so you'd need Calipers, Disc abd Drive Flange.

 

But, why change?   Just fix up what you have.

Thanks for the information, greatly appreciated.

I'm concerned as to how the p/o has managed to get the disks & calipers under 10" wheels. and that by using a 7.4" disk, how much pad to disk contact am I truly getting...  

 

they don't look like 7.5 discs but modded 8.4 they use different drive flanges.

Like I said above modded mounting points? but you will need to show more-

 

what is the difference between the drive flanges?

I will try and pop out to the garage this evening after work. Have a look myself and take some photos for you guys. I am intrigued as to how it's been done.



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Posted 15 January 2015 - 01:03 PM

have a look on Mini spares and you will see they are totally different for the 7.5S type and the 8.4 later type.



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Posted 15 January 2015 - 06:15 PM

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Here we go, disk hub, but I cannot decide what has been modified to make these calipers fit.



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Posted 15 January 2015 - 06:25 PM

Does not look like it.

Let's see the side of the caliper that would rub in the inside of the wheel.

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Posted 15 January 2015 - 06:34 PM

excuse the flash, but to me it doesn't look like its been ground down, but I have nothing to compare it to.

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Posted 15 January 2015 - 07:26 PM

Don't look like they have been touched. Discs look like the right size for the calipers as well.

Time to get the tape measure out and actualy measure the diameter.

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Posted 15 January 2015 - 07:27 PM

OK, that does very much appear to be a proper Mini Hub (for Disc Brakes).

 

Just keep in mind that machining down the 8.4's to 7.9" is only taking 1/4" off the radius, so not much and that pic ^ does look about right.

 

The Drive Flange also looks to be a stock type as would be used with the 8.4" Discs. Those for the 7.5" Discs have 4 Countersunk Phillips Head Screws holding the Flange to the Disc.

 

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http://www.miniminimini.com/?p=15

"10″ Brake Conversion For The Classic Mini

From about 1986 the powers that were made the decision to update the look of the classic Mini across the range. The decision was to fit 8.5″ brake discs for safety and up the wheel size to 12″ from the 10″ used previously. Of course, these weren’t the first cars to use the 12″ wheel. The Mini Clubman 1275GT used 12″ wheels way back in the mid seventies. 13″ wheels were introduced in 1997 in a further update to vehicle specifications, mainly to satisfy the German market.

Since then Mini owners have had the choice of using 10, 12 or 13″ wheels. The latter two present their own problems when fitting them to the car. Most 13″ and some of the wider 12″ wheels require modification to the body, specifically the wheel arches to allow enough clearance when turning the front wheels.

Using 10″ wheels on a disc brake equipped vehicle presents its own problems. That problem is that the 10″ wheel will not fit on the hub of the disc brake without fouling the caliper. The fix for this is to fit 7.9″ or 7.5″ brakes discs and the appropriate size calipers. Easy to say, not so easy to do.

Of course, there are (as always with Minis!) a few options. The first option is to locate a 7.5″ disc setup from a classic Mini Cooper. These are however becoming more difficult to locate and as such the price is increasing. The second option, and the one for those with lots of money is to purchase an aftermarket disc and caliper setup.

brake-conversion-12-10.jpg The kit shown to the left is available from Mini Sport at a cost of £267 inc VAT. It consists of everything that you will need to convert to 10″ wheels. If you’re feeling really flush you could go for this 7.5″ 4-pot brakes setup from Mini Speed, but at £469.15 ex VAT, it’s only really a viable option if you intend to race or do track days, or you’ve won the lottery!

Okay, you’re a Mini owner. My guess is that you’re thinking there must be a cheaper alternative. You’re right, there is. It means scrabbling around in scrap yards, getting out the grinder and ordering custom brake hoses, but that’s half the fun right!?

Sammy D over at P&SMOC‘s forum has a thread running where he is doing the conversion to a 7.9″ brake setup using Mk I Ford Fiesta calipers. He’s documenting the conversion as he goes along, but it should turn out to be a really interesting read. So far he’s collected the parts he needs and is attacking the calipers with the angle grinder. If you are considering a 10″ conversion on a budget then this thread is definitely worth bookmarking for reference."



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Posted 15 January 2015 - 07:42 PM

The Drive Flange also looks to be a stock type as would be used with the 8.4" Discs. Those for the 7.5" Discs have 4 Countersunk Phillips Head Screws holding the Flange to the Disc.


Correct but a bit light on info. As that U.S. only part story as the flange fitting to totally different and con not be confused with the standard 8.4 drive flange.


I want some measurements.

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Posted 15 January 2015 - 08:03 PM

I'd be interested to see a photo of the hub with the caliper removed. To me it looks like it sits further towards the centre than normal and the socket heads indicate something's been changed. I've heard of, but never seen, the original threaded holes being filled and re-drilled further inboard. This would also make the view of the disk & pads look right, but the pads may have had some material taken from the inboard edge.

Edited by GraemeC, 15 January 2015 - 08:03 PM.


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Posted 15 January 2015 - 08:15 PM

I'd be interested to see a photo of the hub with the caliper removed. To me it looks like it sits further towards the centre than normal and the socket heads indicate something's been changed. I've heard of, but never seen, the original threaded holes being filled and re-drilled further inboard. This would also make the view of the disk & pads look right, but the pads may have had some material taken from the inboard edge.


I think you are on the money with that.

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Posted 15 January 2015 - 08:56 PM

Maybe tomorrow evening I'll remove the caliper and see what's happening. Appreciate all the responses, its interesting. The wealth of knowledge on this place amazes me.

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Posted 15 January 2015 - 08:59 PM

I have my hubs off at the moment so will take pics so you can compare. Tomorrow.

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Posted 16 January 2015 - 08:17 PM

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I think you can see where yours has been ground away.

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Posted 17 January 2015 - 05:52 PM

I had a set that looked just like that but with vented discs about 10 years ago, same cap head bolts holding the calipers on and modded to fit under 10's. I bought them 2nd hand and didn't realise at the time there should have been more than 1 bleed nipple, could never get them to bleed properly until I found the centre one had been ground flat to clear the wheels.

 

I ran a set of modded mini 8.4's for years, they'd had a lot of work and were noticeabley ground down on the outer edge though.



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Posted 09 April 2015 - 07:00 PM

Thread revival I know, but seeing as I have finally taken them off, its fairly obvious what has been ground off to make them fit.

 

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So new hubs, calipers, disks and ball joints are going on. I'm just worried I'll miss the feel of the 4 pots...






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