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#1 SminkyBazzA

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Posted 31 January 2015 - 05:23 PM

Hello 

 

I've got a '93 Mini Rio, with carb and original electronic ignition (not points). For a while now I've had an occasional problem with nothing happening when I turn the key, usually after several short trips in a short period of time. Leaving it alone for a while usually makes the problem go away, or giving the solenoid casing a solid knock with a breaker bar sometimes works. My understanding is this was caused by a sticky starter solenoid, though I rarely hear a click - just see a very very faint pulsing of the ignition/oil lights).

 

So today, out of curiosity ( :dozing:), I followed the Haynes guide to removing the pre-engaged starter from the car, and undid the two small bolts holding the solenoid yoke to the motor casing. I took the metal tube (plunger?) out and cleaned off a small build-up of muck from it and the spring around it. This muck didn't look like lubricant, so I didn't put anything on it before putting it all back together again. I made sure the metal square on the plunger was over the little lever inside the casing. I noticed this lever seemed rather easy to move about, but the tube didn't move very smoothly in/out against the spring, however it seemed OK in the operating range. When I bolted the yoke back in place, I could see the end of the square inside the small plastic window on the motor/solenoid casing.

 

I cleaned the surfaces between motor and flywheel housing, and once it was all back inside the car, cleaned the wiring ring connectors. Everything is reconnected as it was, however now she won't start, same symptoms as above.

 

I'm getting 12.05v at the battery, and 10.5-11v at the solenoid upper terminal leads. I'm on my own at the moment so can't measure anything when the key is turned. The dash clock backlight goes off whilst the key is held over to the ignition position.

 

Should I have lubricated the metal tube in the solenoid yoke? Should I just replace the solenoid? The one I have appears to be the original unit.

 

Any thoughts on what I should do next greatly appreciated...

 

Thanks



#2 KernowCooper

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Posted 31 January 2015 - 05:47 PM

12.05v at the battery is a flat battery, have you checked  its charging ok? that could be the route of your trouble, all the tests are in the FAQs electrical



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Posted 31 January 2015 - 06:49 PM

It's a pretty new battery and alternator, but the colder weather may have taken a toll I hadn't noticed :) I'll put in on charge overnight, and try again in the morning. When she's next running I'll check for the proper charging voltage. Thanks!



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Posted 31 January 2015 - 08:09 PM

OK, went to get the battery but couldn't resist giving the key another twist... and after a second of keeping the key turned with no response, the starter motor turned over! Very sluggish, as you might expect after a cold week of no driving, but it got the engine started. I went for a quick run up the motorway and back, and decided to charge the battery anyway, so that's happening now.

 

I had a thought though, going back to the original problem of nothing happening, I've not heard the click that people usually talk about when trying to start with a flat battery (the solenoid making a connection but not having enough amps to turn the engine). So I'm back to thinking a sticky solenoid, especially with the unexplained delay before cranking I've had this time, and some times previously. However, I don't think I've read of anyone else having this problem. I still don't know if I should have lubricated the solenoid plunger before I put it back together either.



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Posted 31 January 2015 - 08:13 PM

All because the alternator is new does not make it something to ignore. They do come duff. There have been several on here before and i have had another with another car. Worth checking to make sure all is good there.

 

Check the engine earth as well.



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Posted 01 February 2015 - 08:01 PM

Certainly will check the alternator, unfortunately everyone that might help me is away at the moment. I've got a new earth strap coming as I noticed mine is looking a bit corroded.

 

I've put the fully charged battery in and she turns over much faster, but as noted above I managed to start her just before taking the battery out (with an unexplained delay before the starter turned), so I don't think battery voltage was a problem, unless substantial power is required to move the solenoid too? I've got a new solenoid on order, and will compare how easily they move in the yoke.

 

Thanks for your help!



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Posted 01 February 2015 - 10:12 PM

Use a jump lead to temporarily earth engine and see if theres an improvement.
Can you take a jump lead direct to the starter from battery positive, bypassing the solenoid?

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Posted 02 February 2015 - 07:42 PM

That's a good idea, I'll try it next time it's playing up.







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