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[Shawbags]

Hi all , if a Mini has been re-shelled will it show anything on the logbook as in should you notify the DVLA to do it properly , Shawbags.

[The Matt]

If it's had a new shell, you should have a receipt (or a Heritage certificate).

If it's had a second hand shell, then no, because it's not something that should have been done.

[Shawbags]

Oh so it someone is selling it as being Re-shelled but they have used a second hand shell it should not have been done , there's one on ebay not too far away from me but I have always wondered if it was ok to do because that is how cars are stolen and sold on so the answer is " DODGY " lol , cheers.

[andy159]

yes very dodgy

[The Matt]

Yep, dodgy, illegal, avoid that car unless it's had a new shell.

[Shawbags]

cheers all .

[slidehammer]

Definitely need to be vary careful with re-shells. I bought a motorbike once and the frame number had been filled in with filler and painted over. I only paid £50.00 for the bike so I think it more a case of the owner not being bothered to do paperwork properly than trying to sell something dodgey. I often wonder how mini can claim to be 60's minis when they have internal hinges, wind up windows and are clearly from at least the 70's

[ibrooks]

If it's had a new shell, you should have a receipt (or a Heritage certificate).

If it's had a second hand shell, then no, because it's not something that should have been done.

 

Not that simple at all and it might be a perfectly legit car. Re-shelling a car with a second hand (previously registered) shell is NOT in and of itself illegal. It all comes down to which parts were used from which original car whether one of the original identities can be used or whether it will need to go through re-registration.

 

Also bear in mind that "second-hand" doesn't necessarily mean the replacement shell has ever been registered. I re-shelled a Mini using a Rover shell that had been used as a race-car for some time but never road registered - the shell was considered "new" for registration purposes and the original identity was retained. I'll be doing something very similar with a Focus shell in the hopefully not to distant future but that will involve IVA as the shell has been modified and it's not getting Focus running gear attached. The shell was bought from Ford and modified as a spare for a rally car but never used and the team changed car so this was surplus to requirements and sold.

 

The technical forums have a warning that you shouldn't give advice unless you know what you are talking about - maybe as a member of the "TMF-Team" Matt should have known to apply the same rules before posting such a simplistic and possibly plain wrong answer.

 

We need more info than the OP has provided before we can make any call on whether this car is iffy or not. It might well be dodgy and I'll happily concede that many are but if the seller has been up-front enough to say it's been re-shelled without prompting (which it sounds like) then the indications so far are nudging it in the direction of maybe being "right".

 

Iain

[Guess-Works.com]

And we live in Utopia.

[ibrooks]

Never said we did and yes the majority of re-shells out there are dodgy but not all of them.

 

My Clubby for certain is still around and I'd bet now has the "dodgy" label attached to it because the guy I sold it too didn't have a Scooby-doo about re-shells and I could tell he didn't listen to what I told him and I know he's sold it on and didn't get back to me for details for the new owner despite only living at the other end of town. Probably someone came along saying the same as you guys and convinced him I'd sold him a pup.

 

Iain

[The Matt]

Apologies. Mr Brooks is correct.

I bow down to his pedantry and admit that I should no longer offer help on these forums as there is a very small chance that it could have been reshelled legally.

[CityEPete]

These threads always involve rose tinted specs and £20k race cars, in reality a ratty 'Red Hot' shell with a 1972 v5c being sold as a tax exempt reshelled car is nothing but a dodgy old ringer, I preferred The Matt's answer

[Wise Old Elf]

Is it a:

 

"1966 Austin Mini Cooper Mk1

 

THE CAR HAS BEEN RE-SHELLED IN THE EARLY 80'S AND THE BODY IS IN VERY GOOD CONDITION AND NOT FULL OF ROT AND BAD REPAIRS. LOGBOOK SHOWS MANUFACTURED IN 1966."

[Tamworthbay]

If it's had a new shell, you should have a receipt (or a Heritage certificate).
If it's had a second hand shell, then no, because it's not something that should have been done.

 
Not that simple at all and it might be a perfectly legit car. Re-shelling a car with a second hand (previously registered) shell is NOT in and of itself illegal. It all comes down to which parts were used from which original car whether one of the original identities can be used or whether it will need to go through re-registration.
 
Also bear in mind that "second-hand" doesn't necessarily mean the replacement shell has ever been registered. I re-shelled a Mini using a Rover shell that had been used as a race-car for some time but never road registered - the shell was considered "new" for registration purposes and the original identity was retained. I'll be doing something very similar with a Focus shell in the hopefully not to distant future but that will involve IVA as the shell has been modified and it's not getting Focus running gear attached. The shell was bought from Ford and modified as a spare for a rally car but never used and the team changed car so this was surplus to requirements and sold.
 
The technical forums have a warning that you shouldn't give advice unless you know what you are talking about - maybe as a member of the "TMF-Team" Matt should have known to apply the same rules before posting such a simplistic and possibly plain wrong answer.
 
We need more info than the OP has provided before we can make any call on whether this car is iffy or not. It might well be dodgy and I'll happily concede that many are but if the seller has been up-front enough to say it's been re-shelled without prompting (which it sounds like) then the indications so far are nudging it in the direction of maybe being "right".
 
Iain

Just so you are aware, it is impossible to get enough points to avoid an IVA WITHOUT the original shell and the regs specifically state that the shell must be original and unmodified. So please check your own comments before jumping on others.

There are ways a reshelled car can be undodgy so it does depend on the individual case, including when the car was reshelled as long as you have documentary evidence of that. I wouldn't instantly write it off, but you do need to ask the right questions.

[Swift_General]

If it's had a new shell, you should have a receipt (or a Heritage certificate).
If it's had a second hand shell, then no, because it's not something that should have been done.

 
Not that simple at all and it might be a perfectly legit car. Re-shelling a car with a second hand (previously registered) shell is NOT in and of itself illegal. It all comes down to which parts were used from which original car whether one of the original identities can be used or whether it will need to go through re-registration.
 
Also bear in mind that "second-hand" doesn't necessarily mean the replacement shell has ever been registered. I re-shelled a Mini using a Rover shell that had been used as a race-car for some time but never road registered - the shell was considered "new" for registration purposes and the original identity was retained. I'll be doing something very similar with a Focus shell in the hopefully not to distant future but that will involve IVA as the shell has been modified and it's not getting Focus running gear attached. The shell was bought from Ford and modified as a spare for a rally car but never used and the team changed car so this was surplus to requirements and sold.
 
The technical forums have a warning that you shouldn't give advice unless you know what you are talking about - maybe as a member of the "TMF-Team" Matt should have known to apply the same rules before posting such a simplistic and possibly plain wrong answer.
 
We need more info than the OP has provided before we can make any call on whether this car is iffy or not. It might well be dodgy and I'll happily concede that many are but if the seller has been up-front enough to say it's been re-shelled without prompting (which it sounds like) then the indications so far are nudging it in the direction of maybe being "right".
 
Iain

Just so you are aware, it is impossible to get enough points to avoid an IVA WITHOUT the original shell and the regs specifically state that the shell must be original and unmodified. So please check your own comments before jumping on others.

There are ways a reshelled car can be undodgy so it does depend on the individual case, including when the car was reshelled as long as you have documentary evidence of that. I wouldn't instantly write it off, but you do need to ask the right questions.