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[samanthamannell]

Hi I'm wanting to give my mini a bit of negative camber.

 

 

What's the best way to go about this?

 

Will I need a kit? Do i just need arms? Fixed or adjustable? Can you recommend any? Links please.

 

 

Sorry i'm a complete newbie when it comes to cars.

 

 

 

Couldn't find any mini images to use as an example.

 

 

Will take it in to the shop to get it done just wanting to know a list of what parts are needed (every part!) before i go in as no where sells mini parts near by me.. 

 

 

If you're gonna be sarcastic and unhelpful please refrain from commenting. 

Edited by samanthamannell, 08 February 2016 - 08:52 PM.

[AlexMozza]

Adjustable bottom arms, with decent bushes.
Don't go for rose jointed arms unless it's a track car.

You'll need some specialist tools if your planning on doing it yourself. It's pretty easy to do, and there are plenty of guides out there!

[59 Speed]

Mini Magazine March 2016 issue (received mine this morning) has a guide on the front.

I think the February 2016 issue (might still be in the shops) covers the rears.

[Cooperman]

What wheels & tyres are you running.

With 10" or 12" around 1 to 1.5 degrees neg. on the front and zero to 0.5 degrees neg. on the rear works well.

With 13" the fronts don't want to be more than about 0.5 to 0.75 degs. neg. as the wider tyres don't really like neg. camber.

You can buy 1.5 deg. neg. camber front bottom arms.

On the rear the camber and toe-in can be set by filing the radius arm bracket and welding a large washer on to hold the setting once it is right.

On the rear make sure the wheels are toeing-in 2 mm to 3 mm. This is most important. Get it wrong and both road-holding & handling will be compromised.

 

The fronts should toe-out 1 mm to 2 mm.

 

Make sure you understand what the suspension is doing before modifying it as it determines how the car behaves on the road.

[WPD]

What wheels & tyres are you running.

With 10" or 12" around 1 to 1.5 degrees neg. on the front and zero to 0.5 degrees neg. on the rear works well.

With 13" the fronts don't want to be more than about 0.5 to 0.75 degs. neg. as the wider tyres don't really like neg. camber.

You can buy 1.5 deg. neg. camber front bottom arms.

On the rear the camber and toe-in can be set by filing the radius arm bracket and welding a large washer on to hold the setting once it is right.

On the rear make sure the wheels are toeing-in 2 mm to 3 mm. This is most important. Get it wrong and both road-holding & handling will be compromised.

 

The fronts should toe-out 1 mm to 2 mm.

 

Make sure you understand what the suspension is doing before modifying it as it determines how the car behaves on the road.

Not sure people who stance their cars really care about how they drive, could be wrong though 

[James_eaton_thewholething]

Just undo the bottom ball joint.

I agree, this would be just as safe as the stanced camber

[samanthamannell]

Thanks to everyone with helpful answers.

 

 

Can't find much info on Google.

 

New to cars and just trying to learn - gotta start somewhere 

[Spider]

Hey there!

 

I think it's great that you're looking at your Mini and thinking about 'stuff'.

 

Can I just ask, given that your 'New to Cars', why you'd like 'Negative Camber' and is this on the fronts, rears or all wheels?

[Cooperman]

One might ask what you hope to gain by having negative camber.
A small amount on a road car can improve the performance, but too much can spoil both road-holding and handling, cause asymmetric tyre wear and look decidedly odd..

[Corey96Williams]

One might ask what you hope to gain by having negative camber.
A small amount on a road car can improve the performance, but too much can spoil both road-holding and handling, cause asymmetric tyre wear and look decidedly odd..

It's a trend that's been around for years. It's very popular. Most of the 'slammed' cars are on air ride so it goes up and down on hydraulics.  

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[Cooperman]

I fear I'm never going to understand the reasons for lowering a car and neg. cambering the wheels so much so that it is almost un-driveable in the real world.

As  a former design engineer and owner of an engineering design business I guess I'm conditioned by the need for a product to be as fit for purpose as possible and to function properly.

To a professional engineer, a heavily cambered car looks all wrong. Again, it's just my background, especially in aviation and proper high-performance cars.

I'm sure someone can explain how this neg. cambering is an advantage  .

[WPD]

I fear I'm never going to understand the reasons for lowering a car and neg. cambering the wheels so much so that it is almost un-driveable in the real world.

As  a former design engineer and owner of an engineering design business I guess I'm conditioned by the need for a product to be as fit for purpose as possible and to function properly.

To a professional engineer, a heavily cambered car looks all wrong. Again, it's just my background, especially in aviation and proper high-performance cars.

I'm sure someone can explain how this neg. cambering is an advantage  .

Certainly an advantage for the tyre manufacturers 

[timmy850]

It makes you cool on the internet apparently too

http://noriyaro.com/...car-showdown-2/

[Mini Manannán]

It makes you cool on the internet apparently too
http://noriyaro.com/...car-showdown-2/

 

 
Truly a form over function 'design'!   IMO it looks absolutely Gash!

[gazza82]

 

One might ask what you hope to gain by having negative camber.
A small amount on a road car can improve the performance, but too much can spoil both road-holding and handling, cause asymmetric tyre wear and look decidedly odd..

It's a trend that's been around for years. It's very popular. Most of the 'slammed' cars are on air ride so it goes up and down on hydraulics.  

 

 

But also rear wheel drive ...