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[TheFabMini]

Right Ive done a couple more videos.
I tried with the alternator belt off in case it was this but still noisey.
Im 95% sure the noise is from the gearbox/clutch. When I push the clutch down and rev the engine it sounds a bit better. But still pretty rattley
https://youtu.be/o1dgi2mh4V0
https://youtu.be/sN-BOuk4GPo

The clutch slave cylinder moves in a bit when revving... is this normal???

[hunterg30]

Idler gears

[nicklouse]

the first video above look at the clutch arm move in and out.

 

clutch release bearing and or that cup thing for constant contact.

[Spider]

I don't have enough experience (none in fact) with a Verto Clutch to be sure, but it does sound like the Clutch Thrust Bearing to me.

[cal844]

Clutch thrust bearing(change the full clutch kit and primary gear oil seal)

[TheFabMini]

Clutch thrust bearing(change the full clutch kit and primary gear oil seal)

 

realistically is this a job for an amateur like myself? im happy to give anything a go but if its really a job for a specialist id prefer to know before i end up causing more problems 

[nicklouse]

release bearing need little tools.

 

but have you got a Haynes manual? if no get one. if yes read it.

 

i was an amateur once. but back in the 80s armed with a Haynes manual i built engines that lasted longer than 3 weeks. change clutches and rebuild suspension. and help a few mates out along the way. Oh also made new friends.

 

so lets just say this. if you dont have a Haynes manual you will never manage it.

[TheFabMini]

release bearing need little tools.
 
but have you got a Haynes manual? if no get one. if yes read it.
 
i was an amateur once. but back in the 80s armed with a Haynes manual i built engines that lasted longer than 3 weeks. change clutches and rebuild suspension. and help a few mates out along the way. Oh also made new friends.
 
so lets just say this. if you dont have a Haynes manual you will never manage it.

Yes I have a Haynes manual. Im only 4 months into mini ownership and its already very oily and has many folded corners of pages!

Well Ill order the parts and if it all goes wrong Ill blame you 😜
I guess everyone has to start somewhere. The cars an ongoing project anyways so as long as Im sorted by next spring ready to enjoy my first miles in a mini!

[nicklouse]

 

release bearing need little tools.
 
but have you got a Haynes manual? if no get one. if yes read it.
 
i was an amateur once. but back in the 80s armed with a Haynes manual i built engines that lasted longer than 3 weeks. change clutches and rebuild suspension. and help a few mates out along the way. Oh also made new friends.
 
so lets just say this. if you dont have a Haynes manual you will never manage it.

Yes I have a Haynes manual. Im only 4 months into mini ownership and its already very oily and has many folded corners of pages!

Well Ill order the parts and if it all goes wrong Ill blame you
I guess everyone has to start somewhere. The cars an ongoing project anyways so as long as Im sorted by next spring ready to enjoy my first miles in a mini!

 

the hard part when some asks if they can do it. we have no idea as we have no knowledge of who you are and what you can do. We can only refer you to reading the Haynes manual. if after reading it you dont feel confident then dont do it. But if you think you will give it a go then ask away with info as to where you are at with the work. Re the release bearing the flywheel does not need to come off so all you will need in addition to the normal spanners and jack is a Fork to aid the refitting of the engine mount bolts.

[Spider]

Best bet Chris is to find a friend who has some experience and is willing to help you do it.

 

If you've never tackled jobs like these and you go it alone, you'll like swear your head off and invent some new words too for the next few weeks, as well as loose some skin.

 

The words and photos we may post here will only take you so far, but I believe there's nothing like beings shown, especially as there maybe other things wring here, that needs an experienced eye over them.

 

I would encourage you to step up to the plate, but until you get some grease under the nails, get some help.

[Spider]

Chris - after looking at your video a few times now and having a slightly better (or misplaced !) understanding of the Verto Clutch, I suspect that your crankshaft thrust washers have worn.

 

You will need a VERY keen eye to do this, but while running and you rev it up and then then it come down in revs, have a look at the bottom pulley at the radiator end of the engine to see if it move at all 'in' and 'out' of the engine. It may only move as little as 1 mm (or less) but you should not be able to see it move at all (other than spin).

[TheFabMini]

Chris - after looking at your video a few times now and having a slightly better (or misplaced !) understanding of the Verto Clutch, I suspect that your crankshaft thrust washers have worn.
 
You will need a VERY keen eye to do this, but while running and you rev it up and then then it come down in revs, have a look at the bottom pulley at the radiator end of the engine to see if it move at all 'in' and 'out' of the engine. It may only move as little as 1 mm (or less) but you should not be able to see it move at all (other than spin).

In the morning Ill have a look and see if I can film it in slow motion as that might pick up movement I dont see.

[Rorf]

Agree with Moke Spider, years ago I had a similar problem due to an incorrectly set up clutch assembly and the huge forces required to push the clutch in, the crankshaft thrust bearings wore to such an extent that the front web of the crankshaft was actually making contact with the engine block - and making a ching ching noise. 

 

I suggest you have the engine removed and stripped before any serious damage takes place.

[TheFabMini]

Chris - after looking at your video a few times now and having a slightly better (or misplaced !) understanding of the Verto Clutch, I suspect that your crankshaft thrust washers have worn.
 
You will need a VERY keen eye to do this, but while running and you rev it up and then then it come down in revs, have a look at the bottom pulley at the radiator end of the engine to see if it move at all 'in' and 'out' of the engine. It may only move as little as 1 mm (or less) but you should not be able to see it move at all (other than spin).

https://youtu.be/wYUQQYWTFBE

Im still pretty sure its the clutch thats the main problem. I start the engine with the pedal pushed down and it sounds and feels pretty normal. Its not until I bring the clutch pedal up that I get that weird squeak and the grinding raspy noises

[TheFabMini]

https://youtu.be/hsNsVHU536c

For reference here is a video from a couple of months back when I first got the mini started.
All I had done is replace the distributor cap and rotor arm and changed the oil.

This was before I had done anything with the clutch slave cylinder etc