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#31 Cooperman

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Posted 12 September 2018 - 04:37 PM

The 'blunt nosed' type is OK for tarmac rallying where the bottom just 'kisses' the ground. For the Monte Carlo, for example, it was fine as the roads were smooth and the only things the sump guard would hit were ice and snow.

For gravel rallying on rough roads the 'Scottish' type is necessary, usually with an extension to cover the gear linkage.

If you are not going to be driving fast on rough roads you are probably better not fitting a sump guard because it does cause the oil to get a lot hotter on main roads unless an oil cooler is fitted.



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Posted 12 September 2018 - 07:23 PM

anyone seen one of these, or have experience of?

kevlar sump guard.

 

 

http://www.the-arc-a...&product_id=184



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Posted 12 September 2018 - 09:15 PM

anyone seen one of these, or have experience of?

kevlar sump guard.

 

 

http://www.the-arc-a...&product_id=184

That Kevlar one should be great. It is also very light and will be very strong. It's expensive too!

However, they also do a Carbon-Fibre one and for underbody protection it will probably not be much good. C-F is good in compression and tension, but not good in high shear loading. If that was to be used in a forest I think it would break easily.



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Posted 13 September 2018 - 11:52 AM

Just to chip in here,,,,

 

I've read many posts regarding the necessity for Oil Coolers when a Sump Guard is fitted.

 

Sorry, but based on solid experience, I don't feel this is necessary unless for some competition work.

 

Our locally produced Mokes were all factory fitted with a (heavy) steel sump guard and no oil cooler. These guards don't have any cooling holes and competely encase the sump, not only from the front, but also the sided. The only opening is at the back. They are bolted up with 8 x 3/8" UNF Bolts and the Nuts are (factory) welded in to the Subframes.

 

We run these cars very hard when off roading and it's not just a 2 minute 'squirt' to get through a mud hole, but can be all day, day after day when going through soft sand. This often necessitates being in 2nd or 3 gear hour after hour and this can go on for a week or longer,,,, I'll also point out that when traversing such soft ground, speeds are slow, sometimes painfully slow (on one trip, 8 and 12 km over 10 hours was the norm), so even if an Oil Cooler were fitted, there'd be no air flow through it in any case. This is not just my own experience, but many members of our Moke Club and none of us while having red hot engines under these conditions, have ever cooked our oil. We only use a normal 25W50, though, I will say, in these sort of conditions, it does get changed at a sorter interval. Some may scoff at my next comment, but in many ways, the operating conditions we put these cars through well exceeds anything that's ever seen any any type of competition work, though I say this, I don't mean for this comment to in any way 'put down' competition conditions, as these I know all too well are also tough on any car.

 

I've just done 15 hours / 1400 km in my own Moke, sitting at cira 4100 RPM for just about that entire 15 hours - with the sump guard on.



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Posted 19 December 2018 - 12:34 AM

...Sorry, but based on solid experience, I don't feel this is necessary unless for some competition work...

 

I'm grateful to read this as I've just fitted one to my Mini and I was seriously hoping to avoid adding an oil cooler. Mine is a road car riding lower than Issigonis intended and I simply wanted to add some insurance that the sump wouldn't be the first point of contact.

 

That said, I'm pretty sure I'm going to hate every oil change going forward.






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