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#1 johnyj

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Posted 23 January 2021 - 05:44 PM

Hi all, the getting of spares into Ireland from this year on has taken a turn for the worst with the introduction of custom duty and vat on to the parts price. Anything over €22 and under €150 will incur vat on the cost of the order and anything over €150 will incur custom duty and vat on to the order price  so if a parts order cost me €167 last year it will now cost me €230 to €250 which has halted the project indefinitely as i couldnt afford to incur those kind of costs. A lot of fab work will have to take place now. It's a disaster all round. Nothing much in the way of spares over here in Ireland bar the odd stockist of pattern parts. Dont rightly  know what way to go now.

 

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Posted 23 January 2021 - 05:52 PM

Moss Europe have a location in Paris, might be cheaper than the UK suppliers

 

https://www.moss-eur...bout-moss-paris



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Posted 23 January 2021 - 06:28 PM

I'll have a look and see. I'll shoot them an email to be on the safe side and clarify with them what the story is.. The main office is in the UK so i'll have to see what the procedure is . it could still be the same as the main branch is in the UK and the parts could be marked as coming from there so could still end up in the same situation. Tricky enough now to get bits if the main business is in the UK. 



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Posted 23 January 2021 - 07:03 PM

Have you not got friends in Northern Ireland?   :shifty:  :shifty:  :shifty:



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Posted 23 January 2021 - 07:18 PM

Hi all, the getting of spares into Ireland from this year on has taken a turn for the worst with the introduction of custom duty and vat on to the parts price. Anything over €22 and under €150 will incur vat on the cost of the order and anything over €150 will incur custom duty and vat on to the order price  so if a parts order cost me €167 last year it will now cost me €230 to €250 which has halted the project indefinitely as i couldnt afford to incur those kind of costs. A lot of fab work will have to take place now. It's a disaster all round. Nothing much in the way of spares over here in Ireland bar the odd stockist of pattern parts. Dont rightly  know what way to go now.

 

john.

Not quite correct. A £167 part last year would (should) have included your vat amount anyway.  Your part now should cost you the same but the purchase price would not include VAT you would then pay the vat and import duty and a handling charge when it arrives. If you have been charged VAT twice you can get the over charge back.  There have been a few (many) cases where incorrect charges have been made. Without seeing the paper work I can not comment if you have been over charged.



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Posted 23 January 2021 - 07:41 PM

I havent bought anything since from the UK 

 

Have you not got friends in Northern Ireland?   :shifty:  :shifty:  :shifty:

No have you?



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Posted 23 January 2021 - 08:03 PM

Last year buying the goods the price quoted was what was paid with the delivery cost on to it. Now if the vat is taken off at source  vat becomes payable here on the goods plus insurance plus delivery plus duty> The vat is charged on the cost of everything added up. There wasnt any duty previous so the vat rate was for the part and delivery. Now vat is onto the overall cost of it all added up.  Thats my understanding from Revenue here and they are the ones calling the shots on it.



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Posted 24 January 2021 - 01:02 PM

Hi all, the getting of spares into Ireland from this year on has taken a turn for the worst with the introduction of custom duty and vat on to the parts price. Anything over €22 and under €150 will incur vat on the cost of the order and anything over €150 will incur custom duty and vat on to the order price  so if a parts order cost me €167 last year it will now cost me €230 to €250 which has halted the project indefinitely as i couldnt afford to incur those kind of costs. A lot of fab work will have to take place now. It's a disaster all round. Nothing much in the way of spares over here in Ireland bar the odd stockist of pattern parts. Dont rightly  know what way to go now.

 

john.

A part that cost £167 last year would cost £139.17 this year, as you no longer pay UK VAT on anything you purchase from the UK (providing it is from a VAT registered business).

 

So the part itself is 20% cheaper for you.
 

There is then a slim chance you might have to pay the Irish VAT and/or customs fees on import to Ireland, if your customs department can be bothered to inspect the container/lorry it arrives in.

 

In 6 months time, after all the negative Brexit talk has calmed down in the media and everyone has realised that there countries customs department hardly check anything, everyone will be praising Brexit.

 

Apologies if I'm wrong and other countries operate differently to the UK.... but it's estimated that only 1 in 5 parcels (imported into the UK) is checked at customs, I imagine all countries customs systems are very similar. So far in 2021 (since Brexit), we have imported several things and we are yet to pay a single UK import customs charge or UK VAT on them. We find we usually pay customs duty on around 1 in 10 parcels we import (previously, pre Brexit, from Asia and the USA), from non UK VAT regions (which the EU is now classed as).

 

EDIT... a bit to add:

 

The best way to look at it, how often have you ever had to pay customs fees when you have imported something from China or the USA over the years? I imagine, not very often, if at all. It's no different than importing anything from the UK (post Brexit) as it will go through the same process, the UK in terms of import is now classed as "rest of the world".


Edited by roberts, 24 January 2021 - 01:15 PM.


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Posted 24 January 2021 - 04:30 PM

There is then a slim chance you might have to pay the Irish VAT and/or customs fees on import to Ireland, if your customs department can be bothered to inspect the container/lorry it arrives in.

 

 

In 6 months time, after all the negative Brexit talk has calmed down in the media and everyone has realised that there countries customs department hardly check anything, everyone will be praising Brexit.

 

Apologies if I'm wrong and other countries operate differently to the UK.... but it's estimated that only 1 in 5 parcels (imported into the UK) is checked at customs, I imagine all countries customs systems are very similar. So far in 2021 (since Brexit), we have imported several things and we are yet to pay a single UK import customs charge or UK VAT on them. We find we usually pay customs duty on around 1 in 10 parcels we import (previously, pre Brexit, from Asia and the USA), from non UK VAT regions (which the EU is now classed as).

 

EDIT... a bit to add:

 

The best way to look at it, how often have you ever had to pay customs fees when you have imported something from China or the USA over the years? I imagine, not very often, if at all. It's no different than importing anything from the UK (post Brexit) as it will go through the same process, the UK in terms of import is now classed as "rest of the world".

 

 

Blimey, here in NL absolutely everything gets checked, if they can squeeze you for money they will. I've never gotten away with not paying import and VAT on an item that required me to pay it. 

 

Sadly the 22 euro lower limit on fees has been scrapped (since Jan 1st this year) so they will always get you. https://ec.europa.eu...consignments_en



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Posted 24 January 2021 - 04:51 PM

The UK Gov is very good at extracting money too and giving it away...If you are skint and own nothing and aspire to nothing they will give you loads of hand outs for your efforts to not help yourself.. if you are mega rich, you will be given grants, tax breaks etc and tax avoidance schemes / trusts left right and centre... but if you are the "honest" guy in the middle trying to earn a living help yourself, better yourself, buy a modest home provide for wife and kids, and try not to be a burden, they will screw you into the ground to make sure you dont get ideas / finances above your station... always easy for the Gov to get the middle man and they dont lose an opportunity to do so... Brexit is a prime example... the poor wont care they get handouts anyway, the rich dont care they probably beneft from Brexit owning big conglomerates etc.. the guy in the middle though pays for the mess (getting off my soap box now)



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Posted 24 January 2021 - 06:26 PM

The UK Gov is very good at extracting money too and giving it away...If you are skint and own nothing and aspire to nothing they will give you loads of hand outs for your efforts to not help yourself.. if you are mega rich, you will be given grants, tax breaks etc and tax avoidance schemes / trusts left right and centre... but if you are the "honest" guy in the middle trying to earn a living help yourself, better yourself, buy a modest home provide for wife and kids, and try not to be a burden, they will screw you into the ground to make sure you dont get ideas / finances above your station... always easy for the Gov to get the middle man and they dont lose an opportunity to do so... Brexit is a prime example... the poor wont care they get handouts anyway, the rich dont care they probably beneft from Brexit owning big conglomerates etc.. the guy in the middle though pays for the mess (getting off my soap box now)

 

I agree absolutely 100% and that is the reality of the situation everywhere . 



#12 Maccmike8

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Posted 24 January 2021 - 06:44 PM

The people in the middle make up the vast majority of the population so I think youll find those voted for Brexit.



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Posted 24 January 2021 - 06:49 PM

I am sure they did vote for Brexit, and many people did for all sorts of reasons, but I somehow do not think any of us will see our share of the Brexit "savings"



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Posted 26 January 2021 - 05:30 PM

There is no customs duty on products imported from GB into any EU country. Your invoice from the UK will not include VAT. Here is the para from the Gov't Q & A Website:

 

Will my company have to pay import duties on goods I want to import from GB?

 

The EU-UK Trade and Cooperation Agreement provides for zero tariffs and zero quotas on all trade in goods originating in the EU or the UK. The zero tariff and zero quota provisions apply to all goods that comply with the appropriate rules of origin (see section on Preferential Treatment from p. 14 below). This means that tariffs may apply to goods that are not EU or UK originating. 4 The provisions in the draft EU-UK agreement do not govern trade in goods between the EU and Northern Ireland, where the Protocol on Ireland and Northern Ireland now applies.

 

As of 1 January 2021, goods imported from GB to an EU Member State are subject to VAT in the Member State concerned, at the rate that applies to the same goods in that Member State.



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Posted 26 January 2021 - 07:33 PM

If it was a straight forward as that but it aint. Truth is that duty is being charged with the vat on top of it.  As an example steel firms that were supplying steel to Ireland up to the end of last year are now not supplying it as of January 1st this year and they wont quote an order for it as they are unsure of the financial implications to them of supplying goods to a an EU country. Those are the words of the steel firms themselves when they are asked to supply an order. And a comment from the UK gov that companies should go and set up a a branch in an EU country to conduct their business tariff free?  Doesnt seem to be working as some people think it is.






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