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[mab01uk]

London's Ultra Low Emissions Zone (ULEZ) is to be expanded to cover all of London, the mayor has announced, despite "overwhelming" opposition.

From 29 August, drivers of the most polluting cars will have to pay £12.50 a day to enter to the Greater London Authority boundary.

Some 60% of those who responded to the public consultation into the expansion plans were opposed to it, with 70% of residents in Outer London against the idea, and 80% of workers in Outer London opposed.

https://www.bbc.co.u...london-63754724

 

However Historic tax exempt cars are exempt:-

https://tfl.gov.uk/m...#on-this-page-7

Edited by mab01uk, 25 November 2022 - 06:16 PM.

[sonikk4]

This is yet another money grabbing scheme that the majority is firmly against. £62.50 to £100 extra per week for a 4x4 shift worker to go to and from work.

 

How the bloody hell can they justify that. Beyond angry with this.            

 

I should add that this does affect me big time as i work at Heathrow. So now i have to spend another chunk of change to buy a Euro 6 spec car as my daily commute, and no i cant use a classic as i do 124 miles per day and need reliability plus decent fuel economy.

[sonscar]

No help at all but I feel for London residents.Truly our leaders are out of touch,Steve..

[Aly-g]

so I sold my BMW e30 cabriolet earlier this year because of another greedy politician, this stealth tax is so wrong in so many ways, we are supposed to be a democratic society, not anymore obviously because the majority were against this tax and it is another tax nothing to do with clean air, what does this stupid Mayor Khan think if he puts a stealth tax on the population of London the pollution will not dare cross the M25 boundary, the man is downright IDIOT.

 

Now who wants to buy my wife's 99 Honda civic coupe 46k from new in near immaculate condition ? only for sale because Khan and his cronies, to say i'm angry would be an understatement.

 

Allan

[MatthewsDad]

I do feel for folk who have no choice but to drive to work in London or need their cars for childcare, elderly parent care etc. Coming to a town near you.

[PoolGuy]

[Devils advocate mode] So, would we rather have a system whereby the emissions of vehicles are unregulated? Like it or not London is (noticeably) a much cleaner place now than it was in the 70's, and that's down to the rules that have been put in place. The bigger cities will always be targeted first, and it makes total sense to deal with the biggest problems to start with. Mayor Khan knows full well that people will deal with his rules after a little moaning, there probably won't even be any meaningful protests about it, which tells him that he's doing the right thing. [Devils advocate mode off].

[Aly-g]

And what about the 24 hours a day 7 days a week of aeroplanes circling London and polluting with noise and crap from their fuel guzzling engines, no one seems very concerned about that infact it is going to increase when Heathrow expands. You've started me off now !! I'm so angry about this. In fact I might go and glue myself to the M25 as a protest 😉


Allan

Edited by Aly-g, 26 November 2022 - 11:29 PM.

[sonikk4]

[Devils advocate mode] So, would we rather have a system whereby the emissions of vehicles are unregulated? Like it or not London is (noticeably) a much cleaner place now than it was in the 70's, and that's down to the rules that have been put in place. The bigger cities will always be targeted first, and it makes total sense to deal with the biggest problems to start with. Mayor Khan knows full well that people will deal with his rules after a little moaning, there probably won't even be any meaningful protests about it, which tells him that he's doing the right thing. [Devils advocate mode off].

I get the idea of a cleaner city ( London does need it) HOWEVER I will put money on it that some someone in the money fleecing dept of screw over the populace has worked out how many people on average come into the inside of the M25 whether it’s business, visiting etc. And now of course that Heathrow Airport falls very nicely into the catchment area they must be wringing their hands in glee. Thousands of workers who I wouldn’t mind betting the majority live outside of the M25 and then tens of thousands of holiday makers.

Now of course this just could be little ol cynical me thinking aloud but that robbing sod of a Mayor need to top up the coffers and what an easy target.

[sonscar]

So how does cash clean the air?If the budget is relying on any of the charges raised then it is purely income generation.Do all the fines go to charities?Steve..

[sonikk4]

And what about the 24 hours a day 7 days a week of aeroplanes circling London and polluting with noise and crop from there fuel guzzling engines, no one seems very concerned about that infact it is going to increase when Heathrow expands. You've started me off now !! I'm so angry about this. In fact I might go and glue myself to the M25 as a protest


Allan

Not quite true, jet ban from 23:00 to 05:00 for Heathrow. And as for the expansion god knows if that will go ahead in the current economic climate.

I do get where you are coming from re pollution although the latest iteration of jets are considerably cleaner than the old coal burners. And far far more efficient. Yes they still burn a lot that cannot be argued with but far less.

However for all us that go on holidays and choose to fly for its more convenient then it becomes double standards. Unfortunately we are the maker of our own problems with regards to Airports and flying.

[Aly-g]

sonikk4, Quote :- Not quite true, jet ban from 23:00 to 05:00 for Heathrow. And as for the expansion god knows if that will go ahead in the current economic climate....

 

Believe me the planes circle London  24/7 , its not true they do not fly over London at night ,I hear them every night and all day , I live in North London and the flight paths have change last year I believe , I think you will find only certain jets do not fly between the hours you quoted , Money grabbers made sure  that the same consultation measures as used with the London ULEZ didn't make the slightest difference.

 

Allan

 

 

 

 

 

 

https://www.gov.uk/g...ht-restrictions

Edited by Aly-g, 26 November 2022 - 09:50 PM.

[sonikk4]

sonikk4, Quote :- Not quite true, jet ban from 23:00 to 05:00 for Heathrow. And as for the expansion god knows if that will go ahead in the current economic climate....

 

Believe me the planes circle London  24/7 , its not true they do not fly over London ,I hear them every night and all day , I live in North London and the flight paths have change last year I believe , I think you will find only certain jets do not fly between the hours you quoted , Money grabbers made sure  that the same consultation measures as used with the London ULEZ didn't make the slightest difference.

 

Allan

 

As it stands the jet ban means no planned take offs between 23:00 and 06:00. now there will be aircraft landing early (04:30) however what they may do then is hold them on the circuit until they are allowed to land. This part is voluntary. 

 

I cannot remember where the holding pattern is for Gatwick and Luton but i'm sure there will be some of these aircraft joining there. The biggest issue that any international flights and this is not a bad issue per se is the jet stream which can cause aircraft to arrive a lot earlier than planned. So yes you are correct and my apologies there about Aircraft circling, i should have been more clear in my orginal answer.

 

And the biggest things with any Airport is that the majoirty have been there a very long time and then the populace expands around them, people move close knowing full well there is an Airport there and then complain. Damned if you do, damned if you don't. Oh and yes flight paths do get modiifed where possible to lessen noise as much as possible. I see that in action every day at work where straight after takeoff they bank hard right (dependant on what runway and what direction)

 

Below is a snip from HAL and what they try to do.

 

 Around 80% of the night flights at Heathrow are between 04:30 - 06:00 with an average of 16 aircraft arriving each day between these hours under normal pre-Covid conditions. Heathrow has a voluntary ban in place that prevents flights scheduled between 04:30 - 06:00 from landing before 04:30. We also do not schedule any departures between 23:00 - 06:00.

[JXC Mini GT]

You can call it what you want be it a congestion charge, low emmission zone or ultra low emmission zone, it all adds up to the same thing extra cost for everyone, more so if you need to travel in to the areas affected. Ironically the additional cost of petrol and utilities mean that the majority of people are saving energy as they have no choice. (rant over)

[HIrantha]

I am stumped.

Thinking of moving out of London.   

[Aly-g]

I am stumped.

Thinking of moving out of London.   

I was born in London and lived here all my life but I would move out tomorrow if I were not so old, London is a horrible place to live now ,it is crime ridden with the Police not even responding to crimes like burglary, any car related theft ,assault and many others, I just don't go out anymore its a fearful place to live now, I hate the place ! 

My grandson his girlfriend and baby can't even get a place to live because now you need to put a years rent up front before even looking for somewhere to live in London, its a joke and not a very funny one.

 

Allan